Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Then idk, just play the game. What’s so hard about that? You want to grind tokens, then imagine them. You want to farm fates, get your colourful gems. Tomes for relics literally isn’t stopping you from doing anything else. I’m sure there’s in game achievements you can chase if you need more carrots to chase.

Or just complain more

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Agreed. It's either "here, grind this old content that isn't fun to get enough drops" or "hey, do whatever content you would like to get enough tomes".

Does them repeating the same set twice in a row seem a bit uncreative? Sure. But I'd much rather be able to choose what content I do for my tomes than be stuck running X old content hundreds of times.

'Cause let's be real, if anyone says they found farming 1020 fates just to upgrade all their base relics to the first upgrade fun, they're lying.

I'd much rather be able to choose what I farm. And if that makes me a "filthy casual", then obviously people have a skewed definition of the term.

28500 for all of one stage.., about 57000 if from stage one for all

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

'Cause let's be real, if anyone says they found farming 1020 fates just to upgrade all their base relics to the first upgrade fun, they're lying.

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While I agree it wouldn't be fun, it would give more people an incentive to complete the shared FATE stuff...if they used ShB/EW zones.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

28500 for all of one stage.., about 57000 if from stage one for all

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Which, if you don't really have anything else to spend the tomestones on, isn't really that bad. Since you can get them rather quickly just doing dailies. Looking at just 730 from the roulette bonuses a day. So 2 days per relic, at 19 relics, you're looking at anywhere from 30-40 days depending on time allotted to playing a day....and if you just do the dailies.

Would still prefer something different than just a tomestone grind, but they tried that type of stuff and got mostly negative reviews from the forums, and that's likely why we ended up with what we now have.

The older relics felt like an accomplishment when completed. These current ones lack that luster like 1st grade participation reward thats the the same reward as 1st place cause "Everyones a Winner!"...

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I never thought I would find myself agreeing with you - But I agree with you.

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I’m not that bad. =[

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Hm, that's funny. I didn't realize something that can be verified through a quick search required "speaking for" anyone. :) Nice try, though. And extra points for calling my raid experience into question in some vague, ill-fated attempt to devalue something you felt personally attacked by.

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The incredibly strong, indisputable position of 'It's true because I say it's true'.

I called your raid experience into question because anyone who has spent any amount of time in the raiding community would know precisely how stupid it is to try to treat it like some kind of monolith with anything approaching a unified opinion on anything.

Keep grinding that axe.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Don't bother with that one. It shows up periodically to vent its insecurities on the forums.

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I too love irony.

After thinking about it for a minute longer, why didn't SE use this as an opportunity to make the variant/criterion dungeons worth doing? Make us have to run their "new" content and show us there is a reason to do it instead of abandoning it.

Anyone know if the Japanese are loving this new way of doing things? I feel their opinion matters more than us. I don't know what their forums look like right now.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Keep grinding that axe.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I too love irony.

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Perfection

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

The incredibly strong, indisputable position of 'It's true because I say it's true'.

I called your raid experience into question because anyone who has spent any amount of time in the raiding community would know precisely how stupid it is to try to treat it like some kind of monolith with anything approaching a unified opinion on anything.

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If by "raiding community" you mean PF, you'd be correct in that assertion. I do not associate with that particular part of the community outside of very specific circumstances. At any rate, you're upset over nothing. Me saying a portion of the raiding community had a problem with relics, which they factually did, does not change the fact that other portions of it didn't. I'm not accusing you or anyone else of anything, dude. I am observing that, at one point in time, there truly was a very vocal lot from that part of the game complaining up a storm about relic weapons, the grinds, etc. That doesn't mean opinions haven't changed over the years. One does not need to go ask every single person in a community what they think when they can read various media to read for themselves what is being said. These things seldom reflect the majority, but they do none the less make it into the public eye. That's just sorta how social media works. You have your vocal portion of the community, then your silent portion. Referencing one opinion does not invalidate the other.

I think most of us would honestly prefer relics stop sucking and require more than doing like three quests and handing in some tomestones. Making them suck does nobody any good. It makes it harder for less advanced statics (and most PF groups) to progress, and it removes an extra avenue of advancement for players that do already have their gear sets completed. Secondaries matter, after all, and the old relics often had better secondaries than their raid counterparts (once equal in item level, of course).