MSQ Needs Further Condensing

Definitely 1000% no. Users pay money for this game. Removing content is removing what we pay for. Length is not an issue. The longer the content, the more you get what you pay for. The issue is quality. Removing content that was previously there in order to streamline things is not a very good solution. As some users have mentioned some of the content that was removed was quite good and important. What should have been done is to take a look at the content, and polish it. Whether keeping the length of the content or not, as long as it's an improvement in quality is what is important. The quality of the campaign has absolutely nothing to do with catching up. Specific users who want to catch up to friends should not be catered to in a way that affects the general user base who want to play an enjoyable campaign without caring about end game.

For late gamers or those who just want to skip the main content to catch up to higher friends, there are methods available for doing so. And maybe does need improvement. But for the general user base, larger amount of quests of good quality = more value for what you pay for. And definitely should not be removed or streamlined to cater to late gamers who are more concerned with end game content. What needs to actually be improved is quality of the content progressing towards late game. And cutting/reducing it is definitely not necessarily an improvement. But can screw the game overall even more.

How about we get rid of the end game grinds and keep the story?

Just sayin. Not everyone is playing just to get to end game so they can run the same content grinds ad infinitum.

You'll take your Allegan Tomestones of Plotdevicery and like it.

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Length is not an issue.

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Maybe not to you, but to SE's bank account, it obviously is.

Best Wishes

-Reyketi

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Originally Posted by Reyketi

Maybe not to you, but to SE's bank account, it obviously is.

Best Wishes

-Reyketi

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If you want to be taken seriously, you might want to actually address people's arguments. Y'know, instead of taking out a small snippet, plastering on a snarky comment and then pretending like you have a point.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

If you want to be taken seriously, you might want to actually address people's arguments. Y'know, instead of taking out a small snippet, plastering on a snarky comment and then pretending like you have a point.

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I do have a point.

You can't say

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Length is not an issue.

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when, to SE, and their customer base, it is.

If the MSQ length were not an issue, it would not have been altered.

Best Wishes

-Reyketi

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Originally Posted by Reyketi

I do have a point.

You can't say when, to SE, and their customer base, it is.

If the MSQ length were not an issue, it would not have been altered.

Best Wishes

-Reyketi

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Only 1 subset of the quests was altered. Therefore, the rest of the story length is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Reyketi

If the MSQ length were not an issue, it would not have been altered.

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Ahem.

Still haven't seen you actually properly respond to this post which goes through literally any and every argument you've posted in this thread, shows why they're wrong and does it without snark.

Here, I'll even snip out the section that undermines the foundation of your point:

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The edits made to ARR and post-ARR are their oldest and most notoriously grindy part of the whole game. Older players routinely warned newbies that "the grind through post-ARR is terrible but it gets better in the expansions". The patch quests were designed to be time-fillers that often didn't drive the story forward.

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Literally everyone and their mother- even the absolute diehards- could agree on one thing: Post-ARR sucked and still kinda sucks. Nobody ever argued otherwise, and yes, that was a good bit to cut down on.

It's also universally seen as pretty much the only content in the game that was deliberately designed to waste our time.

But not only this, there was another reason for cutting down on it.

Crystal Tower is mandatory and added playtime.

Crystal tower is not just a side story anymore- you need to clear it to be able to progress the main quest. Do you know what that means? Another couple hours of cutscenes, dialogue and gameplay added on top. In other to streamline that experience, post-ARR being cut down to not include as much blatant filler would keep the amount of time you needed to go through that section at roughly the same point.

But sure, the game is too long in general! Nevermind the fact we were and still are stuck at level 50 forever, one of the longest walls in the game, which has a much shorter and smoother transition period come the next few expansions.

But yeah no let's extrapolate this one extreme, isolated case of bad design of the same era that got us the infamous praetorium to the entire game, including content made in 2020, as if the dev team are still repeating the exact same mistakes. Y'know, the same mistakes like making Coils of Bahamut super hard to the point you can't add it to a roulette, meaning players can easily miss it, yet it's super important lore for closure on the shutdown of 1.0 and Bahamut.

The team has already recognized post-ARR was a mistake and deliberately worked to avoid those in future expansions. You cannot compare them. To do so is to be blatantly disingenuous. But I'm sure you knew that already, right? It's easier to spin a narrative when you

keep it to a short few lines

full of witty comebacks

and then sign off!

Best wishes,

-Ammokkx

if this game goes the way of world of warcraft where we 1000 hour grind so we can do 5 minute parses on a loop and solve for best class on a spread sheet im out

I prefer a game where what I'm doing in the moment is supposed to be fun, rather than simply chasing an ever moving carrot in the distance, telling myself that maybe when I reach the "end" of the next content release I'll finally be happy. lol to that

OP I hope next expansion they double the amount of cutscenes, just for you