Primal drop system, still no changes?!

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

10% Drop Rate

Share-able Loot Pool.

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this, how hard can it be seriously, stop making stupid ideas and just put it how it should be.

Increase the rarity of weapon drops but make it so you can pass it or whatever. Maybe a 5% chance drop rate with other loot in the table besides Dark Matter. Maybe other random gear or meds and pots or craftables....

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

(250 fights x 5-10 minutes per fight) + (250 fights x re-entry timer for ifrit).... you REALLY don't think that's too much Elreed?

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As i said in my last post i dont agree that we dont have a general pool for drops, even if we had the drop system of dungeons i would agree with that, but i got 4 of 7 weapons in all those wins and im not counting the drops i got even 3 times more like the ifrit claws, ifrit harpoon, etc in all those runs there were drops, lots of drops weapons and totems but those didnt land on me.

I dont think the problem here is the drop rate, THE DROP RATE IS FINE the loot system is what is wrong, so i dont want them to dumbdown the drop rate to a higher one, but instead i would love having at least the dungeon drop system so we can handle as adults giving each other what we dont need, i dont even think that we need a need/greed system i think a good thing of this comunity is that at least the ones with who i played are caritative and helpful in many ways.

I did a run tonight and at the time i joined i hadnt beat AV yet, i got the win and many drops that they didnt need....

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Originally Posted by elreed

As i said in my last post i dont agree that we dont have a general pool for drops, even if we had the drop system of dungeons i would agree with that, but i got 4 of 7 weapons in all those wins and im not counting the drops i got even 3 times more like the ifrit claws, ifrit harpoon, etc in all those runs there were drops, lots of drops weapons and totems but those didnt land on me.

I dont think the problem here is the drop rate, THE DROP RATE IS FINE the loot system is what is wrong, so i dont want them to dumbdown the drop rate to a higher one, but instead i would love having at least the dungeon drop system so we can handle as adults giving each other what we dont need, i dont even think that we need a need/greed system i think a good thing of this comunity is that at least the ones with who i played are caritative and helpful in many ways.

I did a run tonight and at the time i joined i hadnt beat AV yet, i got the win and many drops that they didnt need....

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Exactly, drop rate is actually pretty much spot on...we just need to be able to pass/lot stuff. I mean we have /random now... come on SE :) No todems/nutcharms/etc just let us pass loot if it drops and we don't want need. Problem solved everyone is happy.

Then the rate goes too high, and they lose repeat business, they'll have subs droppin left and right between patches. (even worse than they do now)

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Then the rate goes too high, and they lose repeat business, they'll have subs droppin left and right between patches. (even worse than they do now)

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Umm... if the only thing keeping you in game right now is Moogle or Ifrit, maybe it IS better for you and SE to take a break from each other for a little bit. I have PLENTY to do in game besides grind these 2 fights to keep me busy.

I still have fun with the crappy drop rates. To me, its all about who you play with. I have felt the pain of not getting much of anything. I have also felt the awesome feeling of getting that shiny new Item i have been waiting for, which i think trumps painful feeling. In the end I just like dying and laughing with my LS friends, who cares if some of us are more leet than the others, we have fun teaching others how to play and have fun playing it too.
I will say this, they should at least have one charm/totem, per party, a battle. that should at least keep it balanced a little more.

I am close to 10 totems to finally get my hands on Ifrit Claws so I can punch a certain Morbol efficiently.

Now I am stuck waiting until 1.22, since it took me months to get these 10 totems without any DoW weapon drop. I'd be a fool to waste half of them.

Thank you SE.

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Originally Posted by elreed

I dont think the problem here is the drop rate, THE DROP RATE IS FINE

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No, I'm sorry, it's not. It's really not.

Out of 250 fights you got 4 weapons. There are people that have fought Ifrit 120 times and gotten nothing, or at best a couple totems. What you did was got lucky. Would you have those same people fight Ifrit another 120 times just to get the last few totems to get a weapon? That way they can fight him 240 times and get 1 weapon. Brilliant!

Increase the drop rate slightly for weapons. Increase the drop rate further for totems and keep the totem requirement at 10. The current system does not benefit new players, because once someone has fought Ifrit (or in the future other Primals) hundreds of times, they're not going to want to help someone another hundred times just to get the 1 or 2 weapons they want.

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Originally Posted by Pofo

If you get burnt out easy then maybe MMOs are not for you, you should stick to 1 player games that you can set on easy mode and beat in a single day.

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Yea, tell me at what point do you stop telling people to leave and play something else, considering their are about 10k players it won't be long before you are stood in Ul'dah on your own.

People always get burnt out from MMO's I did it in 11, I did it WoW and I have done it in this game. I still come back though, you may have worked your ass off to get 6/7 but other have worked much harder and got less.

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Originally Posted by Pofo

And yet people constantly insist on making it easier, people these days are afraid of a challenge it seems. If you can't get every drop on the first run, surely it needs to be fixed.

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Why can't you be realistic ?, nobody is asking for insta-drops on every F'ing mob.

It's really annoying when people like you come in here spouting nonsense, pretending to know what people are asking for when you have no frkkin clue.

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Originally Posted by Mireille

I don't like the drop rate, but this I do not agree with. This very system worked in dynamis for years even with a crappy drop rate, but we need a lot pass system in XIV that allows people to pass what they don't need to those who do. Its the lack of such a system that makes the drop rate so problematic. They should be able to fix it so items from chests go into the loot list, and not directly into inventory.

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Not really in Dynamis many people walked away with armour they didn't have jobs levelled to use it with mainly down to LS favouritism, /random and DKP.

A system that awards you for your fight a little at a time is the right choice, this way everyone is on equal footing, everyone has to work the same and everyone gets the same chance of the weapon they want.

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Originally Posted by elreed

in games like WoW (i played it for 2 to 3 years) right after a patch is released you only needed to wait 2 weeks to have everything,

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Anyone going for the highest tier (hardmode) class specific armour in WoW can not get it in 2 weeks, it takes months to farm the tokens and the artifact item to exchange for it.

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Originally Posted by elreed

If i wanted a game that i can finish in one week or weekend i wouldnt be playing an MMORPG i would be playing an offline RPG

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I don't understand this moronic over exaggeration, if you're going to make a point at least try to bring facts to the discussion. (No MMO is anywhere near completable in a weekend)

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

So how many fights then should one have to do to get the ONE weapon they want? Not 7/7 just one.

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I've already said 100% token, so 10 fight for 1 Ifrit weapon, 20 for Moogle.

Thats 70 for 7/7 on Ifrit and 140 for 7/7 on moogle.

When garuda comes out reduce moogle to 10 and garuda can be the new time-sink content at 20.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

There are 2 sides to this crappy drop rate. (One person in my ls got the weapon he wanted on first win) But, since I can't solo Ifrit or Moogle, the reward shouldn't be a 'solo' reward. The group should decide who gets it, not the game. This is why I think the todem system needs to go. We're adults, we can handle sorting out who deserves what.

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Yup that's like saying I work in real life with other people but they should decide how much I get paid each week, don't be absurd.