You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

Did my eyes betray me or #1/2 and #3 mesagges were written by different people..? Or I lost something in chain of comments.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Did my eyes betray me or #1/2 and #3 mesagges were written by different people..? Or I lost something in chain of comments.

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Good catch. I need to look closer at names. I wasn't looking too closely at the avatars and they looked vaguely similar at a glance.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

So quote #1 is you basically saying. Well what did you expect them to do. You dressed provocatively and boys will be boys *shrug*.

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did you just compare arguing over an mmo race with justifications of rape

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

did you just compare arguing over an mmo race with justifications of rape

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Yeah, it's what immediately comes to mind every time I see the argument of "Well what did you expect them to do, you did *insert thing here*" It's justification for something they know that they shouldn't do.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Good catch. I need to look closer at names. I wasn't looking too closely at the avatars and they looked vaguely similar at a glance.

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oh, wow, so all midlanders look the same to you?

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Originally Posted by Lacan

oh, wow, so all midlanders look the same to you?

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Let's be fair now. The other guys avatar could be your brother XD

Well... he has grayer hair so maybe father or uncle? lol

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I don't find that to be the case. I find many on the other side to be very intolerant of those with differing opinions. And there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for the other genders. That is what feedback is for and ultimately the developers and director will decide if they will be coming or not.

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Just about everyone who decided to be vocal about disagreeing with MVeira, and to a vastly lesser extent FHrothgar(since we knew 0% about them prior to the site update just this morning) was both Lore, which explained why they were never seen at all by anyone ever outside a select few, and the technical, financial and time related issues with making a whole new model within three-five months of the SHB launch.

The Lore argument, which is still a valid argument since Yoshi can stand by that as a reason why neither alternate gender are in game, was dismissed as "lore doesn't count, they could rewrite it if they wanted to."

And for the actual reason we aren't getting them, the technical, financial and resource related reasons, people clearly showed they don't know how companies and much less game development works as they ignorantly suggest they "just hire more people, or just get more funding or, I don't know magically make this idiotic demand happen in less time it takes to write an term paper."

Seriously, the Pro "unlock" side, despite being far more civil then their roots (the idiots who basically tried to blackmail SE with their character accounts.) are still the toxic side of the debate since we have clear evidence in the MVeira thread of them blatantly dogpiling people.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I never said they weren't, but the furry tails and ears on the Miqo'te serve only to add to their "cuteness" factor, not make them look beastial. Hrothgar have both the facial features and posture to actually convey "beastly".

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This doesn't mean cat ears, tails and fangs not bestial features. Take away those things from a miqo and they still look cute. Give them to a roe and they still won't look cute.

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Originally Posted by Joven

They also have horns and spiked tails. Its easier to create a fierce looking or "more beastial" looking Au ra than Miqo'te because of their feature choices which is why I suggested them.

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That's only the case with the male au ra. Only two of the female faces could be described as truly fierce, and that's if you choose the right versions of the eyes. The other two look pretty calm and are basically impossible to make fierce. Unless you start spamming facial emotes.

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Originally Posted by Joven

It's good that you are actually willing to play a race that's not considered cute, but it still doesn't change the fact you actively chose a cute looking race/gender combo for *this game* to be your main when you had other non cute options like Roegadyn or Hyur highlander. Even male Miqo'te aren't typically "cute" in the sense you mean if you're sticking to your "beastial" claim.

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So what you're saying is that just because my main is a pretty catgirl it completely invalidates my want to play a bigger catgirl?

I'm not allowed to like multiple things? What?

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Originally Posted by Joven

It was a simple yes or no question. There was no need for an exposition dump.

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Had I answered this way you likely would have given me lip for only giving a brief answer, and that my lack of explanation with it showed that I cannot make an argument for my stance.

Can't win with you. You think everything I say is wrong because I play a catgirl. You keep going back to the race I play instead of taking what I say for what it says.

I think you just hate catgirls.

EDIT: this debate is a farce. Unless I change to a roe you're not going to take me seriously. Going to ignore any future replies from you. Letting you know so that you don't waste your time with a response. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

The "vast majority" of posts (past the initial outrage ofc) have been fairly civil.
And ironically I find it to be the the ones speaking out against mViera/fHrothgar to be much more vitriolic, those are usually the ones not even trying to "veil" their insults, they just go ahead and call everyone perverted and creepy, so maybe its those guys who should stop.

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And there seems to be a third side that gets thrown to the anti-mViera/fHrothgar side by the pro side. And that's the side that (wants/don't mind) them if it's not at the cost of basic content that we get each expansion/patch. I am one of them and so is OP from what they wrote in their post and so many others out there. And of course you can look at how many were insulting OP here for not jumping on the bandwagon, even though they explicitly stated they want the other genders to be added but to give the devs enough time for that.

Locking things that don't exist is possible and does happen. First example pops to mind is Overwatch's Twitch has "locked" emotes that haven't even been revealed (or probably even created) yet as rewards. To debate the terminology, logistics, and ethics of it is just a derailing tactic to try and squash the interest a lot of players have in playing male viera and female hrothgar.

Ultimately it boils down to SE looking at the feedback from players and determining if the interest matches the development time it will take to fulfill the request, as with anything else.