whats wrong with wow?

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Originally Posted by Quanta

Who tries to death travel in WoW? All dying does is warp you to a graveyard; trying to run somewhere as a ghost and ressing at a nearby graveyard is just going to get you teleported to your original graveyard. Grats on wasting an hour running in ghost form?

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umm there is a trick around this. :)

and as such a "good" WoW player you should know this. You can fatigue die as a ghost. And where you fatigue die is the graveyard your at.

I had several night elf hunters with dragonhawks at lvl 10 by running like that. Found some cool places too like a tourist trap similar to old faithful.

if you say die in the ocean off ghostlands you end up at the ghostlands grave yard.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

and I care all about that.... because.......

sorry I play mmo fir fun not be in the ultra elite. And sorry being ultra elite is doing stuff W/O addons. Sorry but real gamers don't use cheat modes to down "hard modes/ bosses"

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Add ons are not cheat mode, so i dont know what you are talking about :)

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

umm there is a trick around this. :)

and as such a "good" WoW player you should know this. You can fatigue die as a ghost. And where you fatigue die is the graveyard your at.

I had several night elf hunters with dragonhawks at lvl 10 by running like that. Found some cool places too like a tourist trap similar to old faithful.

if you say die in the ocean off ghostlands you end up at the ghostlands grave yard.

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Huh. You learn something new every day, I guess. :P

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Add ons are not cheat mode, so i dont know what you are talking about :)

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They most definitely give players that make an extensive use of them a clear advantage over people that don't. So if they aren't a cheat they get very near to it.

The main negative point with addons is that their existance forces the developer to design encounters taking in account that they will be used, creating a further divide with people that don't use them. The problem has been mitigated by the ban on commercial addons, but it still remains as an underlying problem in encounter design.

Boy o boy do I regret subscribing to this thread. *unsubscribe*

If you are seeking a new WoW you can go try out rift ...

and in short, the good about FFXIV and 11 is the community ... I have a theory that says most of FFXIV and FF11 players are mostly playing because they are originally FF fans ... and FF fans in general are NICE, loving and caring people. And since FF11 and XIV are based on people and doing things in party is always a better option then you can socialize a lot ... with the well created music and pleasant graphics ... thats where I like to spend time :)

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Originally Posted by Holyfye

If you are seeking a new WoW you can go try out rift ...

and in short, the good about FFXIV and 11 is the community ... I have a theory that says most of FFXIV and FF11 players are mostly playing because they are originally FF fans ... and FF fans in general are NICE, loving and caring people...

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... until you criticize final fantasy, or until a developer puts something into a game that they consider "un-finalfantasyish" :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Lol at "genuine mastery" that's some "genuine" hyperbole. If you think people that do high end raiding in wow are "genuine masters" i wonder what you think of the people that execute perfect drifting shows on Gran Turismo 5, or even harder racing sims.
Those parts come too late in the game to be any influential on the composition of the wow community, or can be completely ignored (pvp).

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I agree that those sections of the game aren't representative of the playerbase as a whole; however, it's those elements, along with the general ease of play that let the third graders and soccer moms enter the PC gaming scene, that keep the game popular for pretty much anyone willing to drop $15/month on it.

As far as mastery goes, I don't really give a shit what the learning curve for perfect drifting is, just so long as I can complete most of the races and unlock a decent spread of vehicles. If perfect drift is a requirement just to win the first few races, that's where I'd start raising concerns and wondering why a large company like Sony would make a racing sim that only the hardest of the hardcore racing sim players could get into.

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You seem to have a penchant to warping what people say. I never said that is "poor quality" design (the poor quality is elsewhere, the ridiculous storylines and characters, the laughable art direction, and so forth), but it does ensure that the game is popular regardless of quality.
It's actually a very smart design choice to grab the target Blizzard wants and more money. Unfortunately it comes with drawbacks, primarily the extremely poor quality of the community, but that impacts only a percentage of the players, for sure not Blizzard.

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The quality of the community is dependent on where you go, who you ask, and how you intend to spend your time. The WoW forums, with perhaps the exception of the server forums themselves, are probably the last place you want to look for the good people in the community. If PvE is your thing, you'll probably want to head to a place like Elitist Jerks or Tankspot, or some other forum that doesn't put up with wankers who don't back up their claims that X is OP/UP without the numbers. If you PvP, head over to ArenaJunkies, where you're going to need an arena rating of 2200+ just to post in the good section of the forums. RPers can try one of the LJ communities. If your expectation is to jump straight in-game and have the good parts of the community just jump right out at you, welcoming you to the game and congratulating you on making the right choice, you're just setting yourself up for failure.

As far as story and art direction go, it should be obvious from both that the Warcraft universe doesn't take itself seriously, so why should the players? We're talking about a franchise that was able to make a transition into the comic book space, which are often the most ridiculous universes in modern fiction, and it fits in perfectly. The kind of larger-than-life shit that Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman have to deal with is no different from the larger-than-life shit that Thrall, Jaina, and Varian Wrynn have to deal with. It's all good, just so long as you understand what it is you're dealing with and enjoy it for what it is.

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Many other games on the market are much more selective early on with their target. This means that their community will inevitably benefit from an higher percentage of players that are actually prepared to interact with an online community, as third graders and similar examples simply arent, most of the time. And they get frustrated and pushed away by mechanics that they don't have the patience to cope with.

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I would argue that adults are more likely to get pushed away by unfamiliar mechanics as opposed to kids, simply because adults are less likely to afford themselves a mistake or two, and are therefore more likely to beat themselves up when things go wrong. Kids don't seem to care as much when they screw up, and just focus on doing better next time, though we're also more forgiving to kids when they make mistakes as compared to adults. Perhaps that's something to take into consideration the next time the barista gets your coffee order wrong.

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Originally Posted by Holyfye

I have a theory that says most of FFXIV and FF11 players are mostly playing because they are originally FF fans ... and FF fans in general are NICE, loving and caring people.

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People in general are nice, loving, and caring, so I don't see how you can make this assertion about FF fans in particular, especially since there's still enough assholes, fanatics, and creepy fucks around to make one afraid of being part of the community.

Nothing is wrong with WoW.

But I didn't leave WoW to play WoW. I left WoW to play Final Fantasy.

Stop trying to make Final Fantasy like WoW.

Thank you.