Good King Moggle Mog XII DOWN!

lol at the guys butt hurt enough to recommend punishing other players.

I haven't had the opportunity to get into the fight, but that is just silly. That is a tactic that is used in many games where multiple enemies are involved. Take out what you can, raise, take out the rest. Shoot, this tactic is so old, it was used in Arch Angels of FFXI.

Whats next, recommending that SE ban people for sac pulls?

I haven't beaten it the other way yet because I just got around to beating it with the reset tonight. The two kind of go into each other. Most people are probably going to transition from using the reset to not using it. If your party is wiping you're going to raise people, and eventually the reset scenario is going to happen naturally to a party that's just trying to win. It's not like the Ifrit exploit where I think people used wrist-flick to what, prevent Hellfire? You have to walk into that with people on a certain class with the intent to use wrist-flick. I think it's that intent, and the result of Ifrit being stunned, that makes that different than Moogle. Parties may come to the reset scenario by chance, because that's how the game works. Then what, kill yourself because moving on wouldn't be the most skilled way to win? The time constraint plays against resetting so you still have to get up in time, and you still have to launch a good enough assault before or after the reset to win the fight. As cheap as it may be I think it's a strategy more than an exploit. And as far as MP and DPS goes, you're managing both either way. During a reset, you're "worrying" about the time trade-off of standing still and not attacking. And during a "legit" fight there are several chances for everyone to get their MP back up to full anyway...

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Originally Posted by Agate

I haven't beaten it the other way yet because I just got around to beating it with the reset tonight. The two kind of go into each other. Most people are probably going to transition from using the reset to not using it. If your party is wiping you're going to raise people, and eventually the reset scenario is going to happen naturally to a party that's just trying to win. It's not like the Ifrit exploit where I think people used wrist-flick to what, prevent Hellfire? You have to walk into that with people on a certain class with the intent to use wrist-flick. I think it's that intent, and the result of Ifrit being stunned, that makes that different than Moogle. Parties may come to the reset scenario by chance, because that's how the game works. Then what, kill yourself because moving on wouldn't be the most skilled way to win? The time constraint plays against resetting so you still have to get up in time, and you still have to launch a good enough assault before or after the reset to win the fight. As cheap as it may be I think it's a strategy more than an exploit. And as far as MP and DPS goes, you're managing both either way. During a reset, you're "worrying" about the time trade-off of standing still and not attacking. And during a "legit" fight there are several chances for everyone to get their MP back up to full anyway...

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The fact that you're actually trying to defend an obvious exploit is extremely sad and dumb. There is a considerable difference between people dying during a fight and raising them on the fly while keeping up DPS and keeping the tanks alive, and purposefully wiping on the other side of the map so that the majority of the adds are over there, waiting for them to de-aggro for the people who are still alive, raising the dead members, and then waiting for weakness to wear off and attacking again, this time with less adds.

I used the Wrist Flick example because I've actually never experienced an exploit this bad in an MMO before, as far as I can remember, but this exploit is actually much, much worse than that one. You intentionally wait for the King and whatever adds are left to de-aggro, and since they aggro by sight, you again, intentionally, avoid walking in front of them so that you can re-convene and wait for weakness. This is definitely not how the game works, Primals are supposed to be (fairly) difficult to beat; if you think that using an exploit to beat them is how the game works, then GG.

My party and other parties I've spoken to have and will continue to wipe if they get to the point at which other people use the exploit. Why would I sink that low, when I know that I and my LS mates have the skill to beat it without? It's cheap and stupid, and if I'm going to play this game then I'm going to play it, rather than exploit it for HEY GUYS LOOK I KILLED MOOGLE.

Worrying about how long you have to wait until weakness wears off and worrying about where the AoE adds are, which are in blimp-mode, how much DPS you're doing, which add to kill next, possibly raising party members, helping the tanks hold hate, etc., are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You can't even compare the two, I feel gross for putting them in the same paragraph.

grats to everyone who beat them so far! i still dont understand how to survive the 9999 DMG song.

The prequest with NMs the first time was rly funny. But doing it after evrey win? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

I'm not sure that you and other parties you have spoken to know how to "play" any more. Sounds more like a job than fun. And you're implying that before and after people reset, they don't have to worry about the same things? Well, congrats on your awesome wins.

And to keep at least one of my posts a little productive, here's a brief breakdown of the Moogle skills for people who are interested.

The Bard causes other Moogles to "blimp" making them invincible and strong.
The BLM nukes AoE.
The WHM heals.
The Thief casts Break and steals MP in AoE.
The Archer "sets his sights" and then blasts you pretty hard.
The MRD deals AoE damage.
The GLA tanks like a sissy.
The King can use any of the other Moogle's abilities.

This info is at least 90% accurate, good luck in your fights.

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Originally Posted by Agate

Ban people for the reset "exploit?"

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It's not "exploit", it's exploit and yes SE actually could ban for it if they so chose to. Your post reminded me of people in FFXI who said SE shouldn't/wouldn't ban people for "exploiting" (with "") salvage -- We all know how that turned out.

Anyone who thinks this is not a Exploit and isn't a FAIL way to win this fight is a moron, there i said it.

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Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat

The fact that you're actually trying to defend an obvious exploit is extremely sad and dumb.

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You could have left it at that and summed everything up in all honesty.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

You could have left it at that and summed everything up in all honesty.

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Sometimes I try too hard :c

Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have posted earlier that you could do that if everyone had been exploiting off what I posted earlier in the thread as an observation.

In any case we beat it without using that trick.