Summoner and the upcoming changes

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

This is actually bad for blm by comparison.

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Agreed. Yikes. I don't know how AoE DPS is looking, so it's possible BLM does better there now? I have no clue as I don't play BLM. But yeah, otherwise that's pretty terrible for a class with arguably less utility than us.

is there actually numbers supporting this? I can barly keep up with my BLM friend hes doing more dps than me. Sure i'm not the best SMN but he isent the best BLM either. Where are the rotations, gear etc used for giving us those numbers? 0o

I was never concerned about numbers at 70. What bugs me has been the changes made to summoner and how the class feels empty at 60 and below. Two design decisions Square has endlessly communicated to us about the class is that

1) Egi size is fixed so that it wouldn't give anyone targeting issues

2) Egis aren't overpowered to the point the summoner is crippled if it dies

Changes made to 4.0 have invalidated both design decisions and created problems in content for summoners and their parties.

I've given up on levelling my summoner as I cannot stand the gameplay at 60 when I used to love it.

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Originally Posted by Chimiko

is there actually numbers supporting this? I can barly keep up with my BLM friend hes doing more dps than me. Sure i'm not the best SMN but he isent the best BLM either. Where are the rotations, gear etc used for giving us those numbers? 0o

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Rotations unknown but considering the parse im betting its a goid rotation for blm at least since with how our single target works we only have 2 rotations which are relatively the same sans 2 buttons increasing f4 by +2 or not.

All gear was in 314 item level.


Hopefully more info comes along.

Has anyone been able to clear Stone, Sky, Sea at lower item levels? I'm 291 and against Royal Menagerie, I can't seem to down it, always ending up with about 2% HP left on the dummy, which comes out to estimated 3300 DPS (no potions/food/materia6).

Wondering if I'm doing something wrong but I feel like I'm pushing the class as hard as I can.

We have good numbers? Don't care. not the issue I am having SMN feels boring its mostly ruin spam now and pressing one button over and over again is no fun. Being unable to use atherflow when DWT is up or I have not used the attunement makes the job feel even more clunky. I do have a question how am I supposed to keep the Egi alive. This expansion so much of our power was moved to the pet but for the life of me cant figure out how I am supposed to keep the thing living in solo or aoe rich locals. RDM has a simple rotation but feels more interactive probably going to switch to that or play SCH.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Has anyone been able to clear Stone, Sky, Sea at lower item levels? I'm 291 and against Royal Menagerie, I can't seem to down it, always ending up with about 2% HP left on the dummy, which comes out to estimated 3300 DPS (no potions/food/materia6).

Wondering if I'm doing something wrong but I feel like I'm pushing the class as hard as I can.

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Where can you access royal menagerie dummy ?
I went to the npc at the exit of Idyllshire and he only offers lvl 60 content :\. (i haven't cleared the fight yet, but i guess it isn't a requirement)

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Originally Posted by Tsukaasa

Where can you access royal menagerie dummy ?
I went to the npc at the exit of Idyllshire and he only offers lvl 60 content :\. (i haven't cleared the fight yet, but i guess it isn't a requirement)

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Hes outside of rhalgars reach iirc just a green npc right next to a river. You unlock him through a quest.

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Originally Posted by Cherishes

I was never concerned about numbers at 70. What bugs me has been the changes made to summoner and how the class feels empty at 60 and below.

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You and most others - myself included - have been repeating this ad nauseam. Too many SMNs are getting in the "haha I told you so, SMN is good" mindset when most of the complaints are about how the class would play.

I'm still not 70 because I've had a busy week and lost most of my free time to the bottlenecking, but I've played with lvl 70 SMNs, and it looks about as boring as I expected. I'm still thinking about whether it's something I wanna stay invested in or not.

What jobs were you thinking of? I was thinking either DRG or a tank class.

well HW summoner was a plain sad cls in AAR content as well... so nothing changed here in regards of synced content in SB. If you like them at 70 is another story - some are okay with the burst-structure, others feel its brain-dead now.... dunno why everybody must agree on everything - there are enough cls' to move on .____.

edit: just sayin that I tested a statics friend smn before I started mine - that being said im obvisouly one of the less who still like it. but I can understand what most of you are missing now. : o