1.2 Needs to fix Sentinel, Tanking, and XI Class-ism.

honestly sentinel is not the issue here

if somehow they came up with a system that doesn't require you to lvl other jobs for skills, well then guess what? parties will then look at the gear you have and if your gear isn't good enough, they won't let u join.

if ur not willing to put the time and effort into lvling other classes for skills, then what makes u think u'll put time and effort into getting gear/materia

i can see it now, once AF gear is released, parties/LS's will require you to have certain pieces before they decide to let you join. i dont know many LS's that are willing to carry someone through content who is just another liability

I strongly suggest not nerfing Sentinel. The OP isn't thinking about the long term consequences a nerf to Sentinel does to the GLADIATOR CLASS ITSELF. He's just thinking about the impact it has on this fight, but Sentinel is absolutely essential for a Gladiator. As one who mains Gladiator, I use it all the time and it's extremely useful in reducing incoming damage as our block rate and block skills are hella gimped right now (not to mention we're incapable of parrying). I don't fight Ifrit because I'm a casual player who only lowmans, so the impact Sentinel has on your need to take on a so-called "hardcore" fight means little to me and I'm sure quite a lot of people who aren't experiencing the Ifrit fight. Nerfing a skill because of ONE fight is a foolhardy move - almost SE-like in the way it's done (how they go from one extreme to another to "fix" classes).

There are many great suggestions to fix the issue with this fight, but nerfing Sentinel isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by Bahn

I strongly suggest not nerfing Sentinel. The OP isn't thinking about the long term consequences a nerf to Sentinel does to the GLADIATOR CLASS ITSELF. He's just thinking about the impact it has on this fight, but Sentinel is absolutely essential for a Gladiator. As one who mains Gladiator, I use it all the time and it's extremely useful in reducing incoming damage as our block rate and block skills are hella gimped right now (not to mention we're incapable of parrying). I don't fight Ifrit because I'm a casual player who only lowmans, so the impact Sentinel has on your need to take on a so-called "hardcore" fight means little to me and I'm sure quite a lot of people who aren't experiencing the Ifrit fight. Nerfing a skill because of ONE fight is a foolhardy move - almost SE-like in the way it's done (how they go from one extreme to another to "fix" classes).

There are many great suggestions to fix the issue with this fight, but nerfing Sentinel isn't one of them.

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Nerfing doesn't have to mean reducing the percentage reduction. It could be just as simple as making sentinel gladiator/paladin only, which is probably what I would first look at doing before tweaking the Ifrit fight itself. As people, including myself, have mentioned already on this thread, the fight is doable without sentinel. The issue is that it is such a boon for having it, that itself makes it overpowered and pseudo-required.

It makes perfect sense for a tank to have this ability as it currently is, but a damage dealer or a mage? Not so much.

but mages can equip shields too..

edit: though i suppose you can make it shield only.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

but mages can equip shields too..

edit: though i suppose you can make it shield only.

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It's an GLA skill not a shield skill

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Then they better fix Gladiator.

Provoke is pretty bad in itself right now, low black rate, low damage... lol

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welp w/ that just released JPGAMES.com interview its stated that they know the problems w/ GLA and MRD being a better tank and it will be corrected in the upcoming updates and that MRD/WAR will be steered away from tanking and brought into a more HEAVY DMG job. but they have said this before then MRD became a even better tank so ill believe it when i see it.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

Then they better fix Gladiator.

Provoke is pretty bad in itself right now, low black rate, low damage... lol

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Low black rate? xD

Sorry stopped reading after the 2nd page. Takes like 3 days to get to 36... Stop crying please.
Then again maybe you are right...why would you want to level a class that has the ability to reduce damage taken on your mage. That's silly right? Ifrit or not, I don't think that would be useful at all.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

Nerfing doesn't have to mean reducing the percentage reduction. It could be just as simple as making sentinel gladiator/paladin only, which is probably what I would first look at doing before tweaking the Ifrit fight itself. As people, including myself, have mentioned already on this thread, the fight is doable without sentinel. The issue is that it is such a boon for having it, that itself makes it overpowered and pseudo-required.

It makes perfect sense for a tank to have this ability as it currently is, but a damage dealer or a mage? Not so much.

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except gla isnt the only tank, marauder has a wealth of tanking skills, as does pug, of whom half of their list skills based on having hate. or increasing defense

you really are too focused on only your own experience, the fact is classes are built around making a role from various different skills. The job system will act as an overall role guide and mechanic, but classes who purpose is to make the best use of the armory system. Some of the major balances between classes hinge on the fact that you can cross class skills.

The reality is, sentinel is a needed skill/trait that one can pick up. Its balance is in fact that anyone can use it. Dont nerf 2 classes that MUST take aoe damage, and have enmity based skills so that you feel better about there being a useful skill on a class you dont like.

It sucks how I NNEEEEEED materia on my gear to kill ifrit. I believe in all nature pure weapons. Which havent been tainted by foul materia melding. Please nerf materia system and ifrit and change my diaper SE. FF3 or w/e this materia system originated from is a masochistic way of strengthening your character. i just want a wooden stick n some cloth n beat ifrit with my TRUE SKILL!