Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

I'm unsure when the Parser was added, but i personally saw no good come from it. All i experi4enced and still experience is players not working together trying to top dps, and harassing you over mic.

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It launched with the scorecard feature, it was there from day one.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

I also wouldn't take ryles word for it as i still play the game on and off and it more or less a cess pool, i play it during mant. And being a female gamer i had to put up with THAT harrassment too -_-;;'


(tbh i actually don't think he played the game just trying to discredit those who made mention of it)

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Funny thing about that actually...

http://puu.sh/lGlMT/658c2b057a.jpg

http://puu.sh/lGny4/5414e41303.jpg

Just because DCUO isn't my primary MMO, doesn't mean i don't play at all still, i usually log in and play for an extended period of time any time a new power set is added so that i can stay current.

I find it disappointing that you felt you needed to attack me personally as opposed to carefully reading the post where I said that my experience playing on the PC servers could very well have been different than that of the console players because parse culture is something PC MMO gamers are already used to. It's very likely that the console playerbase needed more time to adjust to the idea of openly seeing your performance evaluated, however FFXIV is fortunate enough that the console and PC players play on the same servers so it isn't likely to be an issue.

I will thank you however for further illustrating the misunderstandings that can occur around the subject and how it's more often than not those who make claims about issues of harassment that are the first to try and discredit someone else based on nothing at all. I never questioned whether or not you played the game or if your experiences were valid, i did however say that they may not have been as common as you make them out to be.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

The reason why parser harassment isn't as wide spread as parser are supposedly (you can't factually say that but w/e ) is its a ban-able to say you use a parser. So people keep it to themselves unless in a safe enviroment. Add a parser, there will be a big switch. More people will have access and use to either troll, harrasse, etc other players. I was already harrassed to the point of moving to a jp server over being a fresh tank. Just read these forums, read fc chat, people already complain about dps not pulling their waight in content outside of raiding.

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This isn't true as has been illustrated multiple times by multiple posters i implore you to take the time to read some of the arguments, watch some of the videos, and step outside of your own personal experiences, they seem to be blinding you to the larger picture.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

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First, you're a prime example of why the anti-parsing argument is immature and naive. If you nearly resorted to transferring servers because a few people harassed you over being a new tank, that's a serious problem. Not everyone is going to have only nice things to say. In fact, not everyone SHOULD have only nice things to say. You can't merely run away from every less-than-flowery thing someone says on the internet. The true solution, the one that would solve the whole situation, is that people need to grow up. So what if people are asshats? At the end of the day is it really going to harm you? Brush it off and move on like an adult. Everyone else has to do it. Its an unavoidable fact of life that people are horrible - each and every one of them. Just deal with it like we all have to.

Second, no one is getting banned for saying they use a parser. Not a single person. Ever. The devs all acknowledge that raiders use them and they've blatantly stated they aren't going to do anything about it as long as dps shaming doesn't get reported.

Third, the downside to not having a parser? Not everyone is like you and content to frolic through the fields of La Noscea. Some people want to be good at what they do. You know how people get better at things? Practice and quantifiable measurements. Without those measurements for comparison, no one ever knows they're truly improving. It goes for anything. Literally anything ever.

https://i.imgur.com/VjX8Z6Y.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

Now you can scream harrasment all day, but did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, if you find yourself regularly on the recieving end of such treatment, then maybe you aren't as good as you think you are, and should probably man up and get better?

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This is the reality behind the problem. Most of the pro-parser crowd doesn't really encounter this "harassment" because they usually perform well. Most of the anti-parser crowd seem to encounter and experience allot of "harassment". Doesn't take a genius to figure out why that is.

I'm autistic with tons of weaknesses that make even basic things needlessly complex, yet I perform great and never get harassed. My younger sister(15), who is also autistic, recently started playing mmo's herself. She would always talk about how fun it is and how good she is at the game. So I told her that if she ever were to try doing endgame content she might realize she isn't as good as she thinks she is and that she can/will be removed from groups if that is the case. Needless to say, she experienced exactly what I told her. Instead of whining and crying about it tho, she asked me to help her figure out how she can get better. Fast forward some weeks and now she really is kicking ass.

So instead of victimizing yourself, step up and improve.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Whoever said I was speaking for you? I was speaking for people I know in-game and in-real life, who fear harassment. Is that OK with you?

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What has anything you've said got to do with the fact I asked for a PERSONAL parser? I mentioned it in the title, in my post and again in the original replies to my post. You've gone off your nut fighting everyone about harassment and other rubbish that has almost nothing to do with my original post.

The point about harassment is asinine.

If people are harassing you, report them. And, there needs to be a proper punishment.

Maybe you also look into other means of curbing toxicity like rewarding positive behavior (already kind of exists with the commendation system).

With the proper systems in place, people should naturally be protected from harassment. Targeting parsers to prevent harassment is idiotic and the collateral damage is significant. Since when did cutting off your nose to spite your face make sense?

But, this is also not all SE's responsibility, either. The community also needs to play their part because this is their community. People in positions of leadership need to be more active in rewarding positive behavior and punishing bad behavior. If I'm the leader of an FC and I get a report about a member harassing other people, I need to do something about it. If a member of my static is a douche bag, there needs to be a real discussion about them finding a new group. If you do nothing, you get what you deserve.

Combating toxicity should have nothing to do with parsers.

Why are this thread alway end up this way
Yes, it is a tool
Yes, use it correctly it help improving
Yes, ppl will always miss use it
No, it is not a norm in PC MMO, only about 40% of my PC MMO have it so commonly use in general public
So please, pro and against are both viewing this issue at their field objectively
You can argue it bring greater good than it harm
The other will argue it bring worse evil and outweighed the good
There is no way to please the other side
So if you really want it, or you really hate it
Put down you prejudge, and stop the fight
Work together to find the balance solution for each other

The middle ground for this is (for me at least) that there will be a vote system to activate parser in DF party. Or there will be an option to tick "activate party parser" before queuing in DF, then you'll be grouped with people who are also tick the box. It may need more algorithms in the DF queue system for this, but that's the best middle ground that I can think of.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

The middle ground for this is (for me at least) that there will be a vote system to activate parser in DF party. Or there will be an option to tick "activate party parser" before queuing in DF, then you'll be grouped with people who are also tick the box. It may need more algorithms in the DF queue system for this, but that's the best middle ground that I can think of.

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All that would accomplish is all the good players ticking "activate party parser" and the lazy/bad players don't. Thus causing a larger rift between the two. Meanwhile the good players can expect smooth runs while the "I play how I want" crowds get placed in FF14's equivalent of ELO hell, which in turn causes more toxic behaviour then a public parser ever would. Eventually they will give up on it and tick "activate party parser" and before long df will be the same it has always been+parser enabled.

Why do people always think that people who are not pro parsers are always bad players? What the heck is this?