This patch dropped the ball hard

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Well... then people would complain about not being able to get the highest ilvl gear without doing Savage...

Esoteric gear is better than Alex normal gear, yes... but unless you really don't care about your stats at all, you still want to prioritize getting the Esoteric gear that complements your Alex normal gear the best way possible. So if Alex normal chest is good, but legs bad, you get Esoteric legs first etc.

It will take you a long time replacing all that Alex normal gear for esoteric gear, and you need to have both if you want to do Alex Savage.

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I hate to admit it, but I kinda feel anyone clearing Savage deserves +1o ilvl gear.
What I don't think is right is that Alex gear is obsoleted by Eso gear.
Unless you are running Savage, there is really no need to bother with upgrading Law gear or even fighting over Alex Gear.

My problem is not with the raiders it's with SE. Why should we have to wait 3 or more months to have the eso upgrade items in hunts and what not. By that time who is to say that what happened with law gear won't happen to the eso gear. Where we grinded our butts off and for what just 2 weeks latter it be replaced with eso gear. So if we have other obligations in rl. Does that mean we didn't try or didn't want to put forth the effort. You know some of us have a life outside this game. Does that mean we should be punished because rl calls and we must attend to it.

Example: Say you started a Tuesday in full i160 gear.
Week 1
- Run Alex 1,2,3,4 = Get Belt, Ring , Gloves + Bonus Ring + minimum 80 Laws + 160 first time laws
- Run Daily Expert (x7) +Daily Hunts (x7) = 1100 Laws (980+3x40 first time bonus), 870 Cenurion, 450 Eso
-- Law: 1340
-- Centurion Seals: 870
-- Esoteric: 450

You would NEVER buy a LAW Belt, Ring or Gloves --- you have Alexander Drops
You might use your Laws to buy the i170 weapon and upgrade to i180 with Seals
You might buy a Law Chest and Upgrade to i180 also, since Alex Chest takes minimum 4 weeks to earn, or you could save Esoterics for the Chest.

I think it is silly that before we even CAN get a full set of Alexander, they start giving out freebie Eso loot. You cap doing nothing but 1 Dungeon per day.

They should have just made A:N and Eso either i190 or i200 and let players decide on what and how they gear up. It feels like they are ramping up too much too fast. I don't even have a full set of i180 gear and I'm ready looking at easy i200 one month after launch, yes doing your daily roulettes is easy work.

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Originally Posted by Daerthalus

I hate to admit it, but I kinda feel anyone clearing Savage deserves +1o ilvl gear.
What I don't think is right is that Alex gear is obsoleted by Eso gear.
Unless you are running Savage, there is really no need to bother with upgrading Law gear or even fighting over Alex Gear.

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I agree, but the majority of the playerbase wouldn't... I'm sure you know how casual players can whine about things like that.

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Originally Posted by Daerthalus

Example: Say you started a Tuesday in full i160 gear.
Week 1
- Run Alex 1,2,3,4 = Get Belt, Ring , Gloves + Bonus Ring + minimum 80 Laws + 160 first time laws
- Run Daily Expert (x7) +Daily Hunts (x7) = 1100 Laws (980+3x40 first time bonus), 870 Cenurion, 450 Eso
-- Law: 1340
-- Centurion Seals: 870
-- Esoteric: 450

You would NEVER buy a LAW Belt, Ring or Gloves --- you have Alexander Drops
You might use your Laws to buy the i170 weapon and upgrade to i180 with Seals
You might buy a Law Chest and Upgrade to i180 also, since Alex Chest takes minimum 4 weeks to earn, or you could save Esoterics for the Chest.

I think it is silly that before we even CAN get a full set of Alexander, they start giving out freebie Eso loot. You cap doing nothing but 1 Dungeon per day.

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Like I said in my post earlier... it takes 3 weeks just to get the Eso weapon. And it will take months to completely replace Alex Normal gear.

You can't just skip Alex Normal gear and go for Esoteric gear, unless you don't even care about doing Savage, or don't care about having the highest ilvl/optimization that you can get at that time (what's the point of getting anything then?)

We can't get full Alex normal gear yet, but when we can, you would still be miles away from getting all Eso gear, if you even have gotten an item yet(getting weapon first)

What bothers me is that they introduced the armory system where you can basically play any class on the same character but in fact you can only get gear for only one. That doesn't really make sense. I like to play DPS as much as I like playing Tank and this is frustrating because I can only pick up one. I'd be totally fine to be able to cap esoterics with multiple class while keeping the same 450 weekly lockout. Probably not everyone would gear every job and it would keep players playing the game as they need to get token on their alt job as well.

If you're doing pickup groups it would be awesome as you can fit in multiple party, and in a static if someone ever leaves or is absent people can replace them efficiently. How many time one member of my static had IRL issues and we had to wait forever to get a new guy.

Just a ? Craiger and Daerthalus are you guys raider's and do you guys have a static. Not that I care or anything it just would make sense why you guys are stating the things you are.

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Originally Posted by Ariannachan

Just a ? Craiger and Daerthalus are you guys raider's and do you guys have a static. Not that I care or anything it just would make sense why you guys are stating the things you are.

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Newp. I do not, nor have I ever had a Static in FF14. I did however once raid like a crazy retard back in WoW. 7 days a week, 6 hours per day.

I state the things I do, because I honestly believe that there would be much less interest in Savage Alex if the gear was not better. I just dont think it should be VASTLY better. A simple +10ILVL is sufficient to keep the elitiest happy.

As for my issues with Alex Gear and Esoteric Gear, that is simply frustration. My Character is in full 180+ and it feels like a total waste of time. I'll barely get any use out of my gear before i begin replacing pieces.

I'm okay with you need 170s to clear the 180 content, and 180s to clear the 190 content, etc, but as it stands a full set of i170 clears alex easy.

I'm not a fan of abolishing the weekly cap, but doubling it to 900 a week would certainly improve the "feel" of progressing your character, especially since these gear sets are job-specific, not role-specific.

As a DPS main, it honestly feels pretty bleh knowing that it'll be three weeks before I actually make a stride towards progressing my main job, assuming my static doesn't clear any Alex Savage or that if we do, I'm not lucky enough to get a drop from it.

The cap exists so you STAY SUBBED for longer. It ensures if you enjoy the game your subbing for an extra 2-3 Months to gear up and considering sales and sub numbers are raising every report SE publishes it means the play method is working.

You can't remove the cap because everyone will gear up in 1 week at the patch, unsub, complain there is nothing to do, and come back in 3-4 Months and repeat the process, Thats how you break a game and end up having to go F2P.

It does bother me a BIT tough that with adding weapons to tome gear didn't increase the weekly cap a BIT. Even raising it to 500 over 450 Would have been acceptable to stay on pace with the average grind. But more than that is just asking for trouble when it comes to subs. The Weapon alone increases the treadmill 3 weeks which seems excessive to me.

Alex Normal gear is still very important because you are going to be using it for MONTHS while you gear up with ESO gear. Running alex also nets you ESO tomes so your winning on both fronts. I ran Alex yesterday to get drops and made 100 ESO on top of doing my roulettes. If anything they made it easier to cap by a huge amount making it easier for more casual minded people to cap each week.

There are good things and meh things they CAN do better on, but what they are doing is successful despite some people complaining about it. I don't want them to change the entire system because It keeps me subbed, If the game gets easier it means ill stop subbing and take long breaks and thats bad for business for them they cant have that. I consider myself a CORE XIV player (not Hardcore), You can't have them not subbing, they are your bread and butter for revenue.