Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

It looks interesting and fun and probably just fine in dungeons, primals, and sort mode stuff. My biggest concern is for progression content where raw healing and damage reduction is important along with consistency which the randomness of the card draw cannot be relied upon.

At least in the design of coil it would have been an issue for progression but maybe new raid design will be different? (I'm hoping for AST changes than to change raids to accommodate job issues). Time will tell but so far the feedback is inline with my initial theory crafting with my cohealer.

even if you are equal to a scholar in dps, he meanwhile still has a feary out that match your card dps buff and heals every global cooldown.



the cards dont make up for no heal cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Even if you were to only focus on healing in a fight, while setting up an extended bole, then using time dilation, you'd have a 45 second 10% dmg reduction for a paticular hard hitting moment in more serious fights. Its hard to say the different things we'll be able to bring to the table without having the fights to test atm. But I dont think people will discount astro so easily.

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Unfortunately, you just can't count on when you're going to get Bole. AST brings some nice things to the table, but you can't necessarily count on them having what you need when you need it. The mechanics that allow you to draw new cards just don't give you enough control, considering you can get shafted with less than ideal cards over and over again. New raids with Astrologian will be more of "I'll try Astrologian" rather than "I want/need Astrologian," and we can only hope they stand up to the pressure, or they'll be in dire need of buffs. They'll do fine in normal content, but I can't say whether they'll stand up to cutting edge content so readily.

ok bole example, WHM can use his 30% heal buff with 60 sec cooldown and be 3 times as efficient than your bole that would also need 60 eec preperation time (2 cards).

ewer isn't bad on blm at least..

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Originally Posted by Nague

ok bole example, WHM can use his 30% heal buff with 60 sec cooldown and be 3 times as efficient than your bole that would also need 60 eec preperation time (2 cards).

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Lets say 6 abilitys thoughout 45 seconds, each one does 7k dmg, Thats 4200 (probably more likes 10k with auto attacks added in) that costed no mp to mitigate, and all the while Im able to heal at the same time. Divine seal lasts 15 seconds. Fact is you can theorycraft all day long, nothing is going to mean anything until we've spent more time in the coil-like fights for heavensward and see first hand how they handle themselves.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Lets say 6 abilitys thoughout 45 seconds, each one does 7k dmg, Thats 4200 (probably more likes 10k with auto attacks added in) that costed no mp to mitigate, and all the while Im able to heal at the same time. Divine seal lasts 15 seconds. Fact is you can theorycraft all day long, nothing is going to mean anything until we've spent more time in the coil-like fights for heavensward and see first hand how they handle themselves.

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How do you plan on having this card when its needed ?

You act like you will have Bole on demand... youll most likely have something else.

Tell me, how will you constantly get the card that you actually need, when its needed ?

Because draw is on a 30 second time and you can shuffle every other one. 4/5 times I could have the card I wanted 3min into a fight.

So we have been having serious conversations about AST in my guild for forming our raiding teams. The fact is, WHM/SCH is more optimized more regularly than is anything else plus AST. It's just not viable. It can do a lot, but when in combat its locked to one or the other at a gimped potency. So why not just bring a WHM or a SCH instead, because they are locked, but without RNG and without potency being gimped. Really AST is a jack of all traids, master of none, but in raids, with usually just two heals, you need someone to do one job and to do it at max potency. That is not AST. They need to do something or it wont get a raid spot. I can't think of a raid group right now that'll consider bringing one for bleeding edge content.

In addition I feel sorry for peeps because its so obvious that a stigma exists in high level dungeons already with AST. Many times when one queus up, someone leaves saying they'd rather do their long list of stuff than to waist time being healed by AST, even before pulling a single mob. This is very common. Stigmas rarely exist without reason, similar to that of WAR vs PAL back in the day. I hope the devs pay attention to this because in a hand full of weeks Alexander savage will be out and those that pushed AST to 60 quite possibly could be SOL until they get one of the other classes up to 60.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Because draw is on a 30 second time and you can shuffle every other one. 4/5 times I could have the card I wanted 3min into a fight.

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Have you drawn cards ?

Ive drawn 10-15 cards before i got Bole.

I drew 6x Arrow in a row... then drew 4x Spear followed by 2x Spire.
Your going to spend 3min trying to get that one card.. that will most likely last a whole 15 seconds at most if you save it for later ?
What if you dont get it at the right time ?

Your telling me thats reliable ?


AST...
Hey guys!.. in 4-5 draws i could have Bole for when we get that spike damage..... it may take me 3 min to get that DPS incease we need or that Tank buff! ITS ALL GOOD!.
Party.. What happened ?
AST..Eh i got Spear. Maybe next time..
Party... how long are those buffs ?
AST.. About 15 seconds..
Party.. Lets go get a SCH/WHM


SCH.. Dps buff ? i got this.. ill click my 1 button when i please.

WHM.. Yep i got my cooldowns.. i dont have to RNG for success.