As I said in the Zodiac drop rate thread:
"Almost everything that has a low (less than 25%) chance in this game should have a built-in safety net, where if you don't win after X amount (X can be a pretty high number) of times the chance becomes 100%.
Not talking about normal loot drops but things like card drops, relic drops, etc. I think people would be so much more open to the RNG if they knew that if the RNG reeaaally hated them they'd still be gauranteed a drop after X amount of tries.
The devs just need to ask themselves "what is the most amount of tries we want someone to have to make for this?" when designing rare drops/updates.
They need not even tell us the number, just knowing that its there on these things would make a huge difference. "
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03-06-2015, 06:59 AMDyne_Fellpool
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03-06-2015, 07:06 AMAeyisI dunno, I like quite a lot of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izsha
My current likes require me to collect about 2mil GMP. Perhaps 3mil even.
That's only the part of me considers GMP. I also like crafting, getting a house, doing storyline stuff, some raiding, standing around in a city and conversing with random(?) people in /say, upgrade a relic weapon, collect cards, race chocobos.
I might have missed one, regardless; all of these take up a bit of time.
That is fine. What's somewhat odd about this is that is due to RNG most of these can take an exessive amount of time to do/complete. And in the example of obtaining GMP items, some are priced far too high.
Anyone that focuses on more then one, maybe two of these aspects of the game can get pretty shafted atm. (is my view on things)
A very large part of this is due to the fact that you cannot make solid plans for anything involving Square's RNG.
Because something could take a day to complete, or a month, depending on whether your RNG is good or bad.
Grinding requires a lot of time investment and proper planning/preparation, which RNG negates.
Thus RNG is an extremely bad thing for MMOs imo. (which rely on grinding)
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03-06-2015, 07:50 AMIzsha
As for stuff being to expensive, that is almost certainly temporary. The either nerf cost after a time directly or they indirectly nerf by increasing supply (lights nerf, hunts now give 2x seals, but oils and sands cost the same, or tome inflation). SE starts everything off high so the people that play a LOT have some stuff to do, then they tweak it directly or indirectly later for regular folk. I would bet money the MGP cost of cloud card etc will either come down later, or MGP will be faster to come by I'm various ways.
That's the other half of grinds. They are high balled when released so the crazy hardcore can grind out all day, then it's toned down later for increased access ability. But that means everything new is gonna get qq ed about because it's initially s designed for the extreme end and scaled later. It's the coil nerfs vs story mode all over again. But there is some logic to SEs decisions on that kinda stuff. -
03-06-2015, 08:01 AMLindaru
I would like if Gold Packs wouldn't cost so much, it's really frustrating to farm 2.1k MGP only to see another Momodi,Tenfingers,Mother Miounne or Cid pop up instead of Ultima/Zidane/WoL.
Like 1.2k or something or increase Ultima/Zidane/WoL card drop rates. -
03-06-2015, 08:59 AMYukiko
Onion Knight just gives you 600 MGP ...
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03-06-2015, 09:30 AMMimilu...That is a good question: Why haven't we improved on rubber tires? Tires that ware down, get slashed, pop, deflate, need to get replaced, can't handle certain situations like mud, sand, water and/or snow, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CYoung187
Just because it's a "staple" or "hasn't changed" doesn't mean there isn't room for improvements or innovation. :B -
03-06-2015, 09:33 AMMimiluKing Elmer III wants to say hello. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluejay
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03-06-2015, 09:42 AMEdellisPSO2 isn't even a game. It's a Waifu dollhouse simulator. The grind on that dumb game is so real, there's RNG involved even when you spend your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rankina
It's like the developers all sat down and said, "how can we make a game where RNG is the only thing you do", and then PSO2 was born.
As for XIV, the RNG on this game is mostly null and void because the game always has a practical answer that doesn't involve any. -
03-06-2015, 04:13 PMXiXiQI don't think anyone here thinks there should be no grinding, or any RNG element. No-one is asking for that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izsha
What people are saying is that as time has progressed, the amount of grind/RNG required to do just about anything has gotten out of control. Just about anything you can name, either the grind is insane, or the RNG chance is always in the 1%-10% range (and some even lower than 1%) - and often to even get to the RNG stage, you need to get through the grind stage first. Too many times after putting in the grind, you end up with nothing or very little to show for it. Something needs to give. -
03-06-2015, 07:00 PMSho86
Yep, the amount of RNG/extreme grind in this game is slowly destroying my interest towards the FF series. Relic, heavy grind/RNG. Raid gear/card/mats(ST)/minions, grind/RNG. Choco Races, grind/RNG (during race, weather/box - breeding, buying covers). Triple Triad, heavy grind/insane RNG, akin to atma pre-nerf. Then that doesn't even include the base 'normal grind' of leveling and constantly updating gear every 3 or so months with current tomes, oh and crafting/gathering lmao.
I honestly don't even want to see the "fun" grind/RNG they put in to getting airships or flying mounts come xpac. Grew up loving FF titles, and looking forward to the new ones coming out, and now I start to cringe with every update. It could have been avoided too; Raids on a token turn in system; Triple Triad gain the cards you flip from NPC, etc - and if some people rushed/burned through it, who cares? Thats their choice for the fun, not to mention still the option of grinding other jobs/relics. For me though, newer games offline or not, the growing distaste for the series won't go away easily.