SE it's time for A new Job Please. (Tank)

I agree that adding new tanking jobs will not cause there to be more tanks in the world, for most of the reasons folks have already mentioned, and the one thing that might get more people to tank, giving it high damage-dealing capability while not sacrificing any tanking ability, would be a tremendously stupid idea, as that would then become the only DD job people would play (or, at least, the only tank or DD job that wouldn't be insta-kicked from dungeons). That said, I'm a bit depressed at the lack of diversity in tanking and healing jobs in this game; there's only two of each, compared to five DD jobs. I'd like to see more options available.

I think it's possible to add a new tank without falling into a lot of the traps folks have mentioned on this page. The key, though, is to make them very distinct from the current existing tanks. Give them specialties that shore up gaps where other tanks are weak (and give them weaknesses that other tanks shore up, so they don't completely dominate the field). For example, it might be nice to have a tank that's not just good at handling hordes of lesser mobs, but dedicated to it - like a Brawler class that has a perpetual self-buff that grants 5% damage resistance for every mob for which he's at the top of the hate list (say, to a cap of 50%), abilities for gathering and grouping hordes of mobs, and so on, but make them only above average at weathering the big hits, making PLDs and WARs preferred for standing against the big boys.

Another possibility for attracting diversity is to make the tank job interesting in some way. For example, before Geomancer came out in FFXI, I read speculation in the forums that it could be a tanking job, using a spellset dependant on the current environment to erect powerful damage mitigating buffs, like a regenerating Stoneskin if standing on rocky terrain, or ice spikes with a potent Paralyze effect when fighting on ice. No one expects a mage to tank, and the novelty of it will draw players to the job. So long as it actually WORKS as a tank, folks will stick with it.

Perhaps Beastmaster, if it ever gets added, could be a tanking job, using the pet in some way to mitigate damage, gather adds, and so on. That could be cool.

23 pages and same things seem to get revisited.

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1) DPS tank - Warrior and Paladin did good DPS outside of FFXI. They only got shit on in MMOs because tanks that could DPS would be broken. OP didn't say this anyway.

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Warrior really shouldn't have even been a class. It should have been Viking OR Beserker but instead it was a mix and match of both of those into the generic fighter archtype.

Paladin, although the Japanese name is ナイト [knight], is weird because they couldn't just call it Knight and have Conjurer as a required class. Put themselves in a bit of a bind since Paladin can't use White Magic to save their lives (literally!).

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2) Ninja tank - highly illogical, there isn't a single good reason a person can make to why Ninja should be a tank *challenge posted*

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[*]Points for Ninja tank
1. FFXI players making it so because SE took too long to nerf an unintended exploit
2. Refer to 1

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3) Samurai tank - Fits the same criteria as "Warrior" does, tanky DPS class that has a way to take hits, usually uses heavy armour and shields in some games

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I would like Samurai as DPS as well but we can't just shaft the tank community. Unless players like waiting 1h for instance queues then tank just peaces out after 10m into the instance because she has something better to do.

Tanks should make sense. You don't just grab a class, give it some emnity skills and call it a tank. That's foolish. For example, Thief tank. Give it an ability that it can use to lower accuracy on the boss but doesn't share DR with Flash. Indirection evasion boost. Give abilities like Jeer to attract boss attention. Dirty hook to lower boss damage to yourself as a defensive CD. Twinkle Toes as a version of Hallowed.

Sure it can happen. Does it make sense? Not even in the slightest. Thief, like Ninja, is not a class that wants to be in the spotlight. It's a direct contradiction of their respective styles. I already read something about Summoner not being a DoT class. Well, Yoshida could have simply not included it but put it in for those who wanted SMN. Did he make a mistake? Yeah, he did. Did FFXI devs make mistakes too? A hell of a lot of them.

There is a difference between mistake and mistaken intentions.
Ninja => DPS, Samurai => Tank. What happened? Ninja => tank, Samurai => DPS. Not intended. Summoner => pet handler, Necromancer(?) => DoT Class. What happened? Summoner => DoT class. Intended.

So this is FFXIV. Whatever Yoshida says X class is, there is no way around it. If he says Ninja won't be a tank there is nothing the playerbase can do to turn it into a tank (no emnity skills).

I really don't think a new tank class will help with tanks probably in the long run. Yes, there will be more people lvling it and perhaps trying it out but after the initial burst, the people who enjoy dpsing will stay dpsing and the people who enjoy tanking (will be still tanking). Thus, nothing changes.

How about make a tank class that has similar abilities to Auron in FFX, Great Sword weilding and the Lower its HP is the harder it hits. So they could potentially do massive DPS but at great risk which would stop it from being broken and would require some skilled healing I'd love something like this as it would be a fun way of Tanking!

This is how it would work:

<10% of Max HP +10% Damage output
<25% of Max HP +25% Damage output
<50% of Max HP +50% Damage output
<75% of Max HP +75% Damage output
<100% = Dead (you got greedy with your DPS lol)

I am all for adding more jobs including a tanking one!! (and pure dd ranger hopefully not a dice rolling half dd wannabe^^)

But at present that will not really help the overall problem of "not enough tanks".

They need to ease up on the tanking role alot, give tanks natural hate as opposed to now (and a lot of it), ease up on the degree of hate generation from healing, and they need to take alot less damage as well to ever see an increase of ppl playing them.

More so a revamp of the party set up needs to be done. design encounters for 8mans to need only one tank, 2 is too many and add extra dps in the ot spot. That would not work for current encounters, but new ones should be altered to allow for more dps roles to be filled and less tanking. Oh and add a reraise spell for whm to use.

Just my opinion, but a new job, bribing and favoring tank roles with bonuses/mounts etc will never alleviate the issue enough to be noticeable. Lessen the need for so many is the best route. And make tanks truly meat shields with alot more hate generation naturally.
Just my 2 cents for SE.