Ran a leveling roulette a little while back, trying to get jobs to 70 before I buy the expansion and raise the level cap on me again.
Dumped into Shisui. First thought is "Dammit, this again," since roulette has dumped me here several times in a row, enough to level me so I could be getting Bardam's and actually getting some better-ish gear up til 70.
It only gets worse from there. Tank is single pulling. Now, usually I don't mind this. I'm a patient player, this doesn't actually bother me. Takes a couple minutes to clear that first low area and hit the geyser. Tank just kinda sits there for a sec, second DPS accidentally catches aggro from the next pack of mobs. "Eh, nbd, tank can pick them up pretty easy," and I join in on trying to burn them down.
Tank sits down. Not quite sure the healer even bothered much keeping us two DPS alive, we both die, with the cliche "You spank it, you tank it" attitude out of the tank.
Thankfully, I know enough to not start mouthing off as much as I'd like. I just nope the fuck out of that run. Slow-ass tank can't even be bothered, I'd just as soon find something better to do waiting out the penalty. Especially bs when I personally didn't grab any aggro, was just jumping in to get shit done and not leave the other guy eating everything. But no, still can't get up off his ass just because he wasn't the one to pull.
Sure, I get the tank attitude. But don't apply it to "accidentally crossed line of sight" cases. Someone runs off to pull extra packs, fine, let 'em eat it. But if you're gonna act that way, damn well better be a good tank to justify it.
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07-28-2019, 03:41 PMHasrat
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07-28-2019, 05:22 PMSturmChurroYes! A fellow good person! We better show those players who are "mean" to the 'newbies' how good of a community this is! We don't need those nasty WoW players bringing their toxicity into our game! Kick, for the good of the community, for the good of all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnedeus
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07-28-2019, 05:33 PMDriavna
My personal standard is pretty simple: will a full party of people with your same level of effort/attitude clear this content? If the answer is no you are the problem and it's ok to kick you off the party. Same goes for people that love to AFK during easy content because "it's doesn't matter".
Being less skilled than other players, needing more time to learn a mechanic or just make a mistake from time to time is ok but being a burden because you refuse to X or Y is not.
People complain about elitism all the time but in my personal experience what is rampant in this game is an obnoxious entitlement mentality. -
07-28-2019, 06:38 PMKallistraMy fiancee's family has this cat named George who is a constant meower. He was from a hoarder home, so he is very clingy and thinks he needs to be as loud as he can to get any attention. He also "announces" when he is going to jump on anything, even when their two cats are home alone. He's adorable and we all love him, but when he's awake people will ask if he's okay lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumas
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07-28-2019, 06:52 PMLegion88You know the stats of the vendor gear you are pointing there is worse then augmented shire?Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
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07-28-2019, 07:39 PMTheMightyMolluskDid you try turning him off and then on again?Quote:
Originally Posted by gumas
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07-28-2019, 07:56 PMSturmChurroTo end this from being brought up. You can't just call a player bad, you'll probably get reported and banned, what you have to do is be passive-aggressive and shift the blame in other areas. Not saying that is what I personally did, nor condone it, but if you see something like that in-game that might be what is actually meant. Just saying. Just an opinion. Some players might do that, not me, but some players might. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Legion88
Also, for like the fifteenth time they were in regular shire, not augmented. The majority do not augment their shire gear. :rolleyes: -
07-28-2019, 08:19 PMHyoMinPark
So, uh. I’m doing Roulettes to cap on Goetia in the event there are crafted mats needed for the new gears. And I get Byakko NM in Trial Roulette. Okay, cue a giant yawn, but whatever.
Anyways, everything is going relatively normal...until in the second half I am suddenly chosen for State of Shock (the tank mechanic where he punches you into the ground and people are supposed to stack).
Um. I’m not quite sure how this happened. Especially since both tanks were in tank stance, and the only person that had died was a BLM. The first one chose the MT as it normally should. But that one chose me. And I am still scratching my head as to why that happened. I’ve literally never seen that happen before without there being multiple deaths prior. O.o
Am I missing something? I thought NM worked just as EX did in that the MT is chosen (and the second one is done with a Voke+Shirk so the other tank is chosen, but NM only has the one State of Shock). Did they...change it to be random? Because I’ve never not seen a tank be chosen except, as I said before, when there are like a bazillion deaths (and the tanks are usually dead). -
07-28-2019, 08:49 PMTyrial
Just ran Holminster on WHM and the tank I got was special. Only used Rampart for defensive CDs for the most part, one Shelltron, two sentinels and a Hallowed Ground (at the worst possible time) the entire run. I asked why he wasn't using Arm's Length and got "I don't have it.". So myself and one of the DPS proceeded to explain that yes he does have it and that it's a very good defensive CD for trash now. His reply? "I only use it on DPS, that's all it's good for, I don't even have it on my bar".
Add to that the fact that he was single targeting group pulls instead of using his AoE combo and spamming himself with Clemency when there was absolutely no need...it reminds me of why I'm so hesitant to play anything but tank. -
07-28-2019, 09:32 PMKhorchi
FC friend asked if I wanted to do an expert dungeon. I'm just about to log off for the day and so is he but we hadn't done our daily Expert roulette. Sure, I'll bite.
Turns out that it is Amaurot. Nice. I really enjoy this dungeon.
We load in and no one is new. I'm WHM, FC friend is MCH. We get a Bard and DRK. The DRK says in chat "lol wrong que" but they stick around to do the dungeon anyway.
Everything goes very well. Small pulls to start. But little did I know that I would begin to LOATHE this Dark Knight by the end of the run.
This Dark Knight would not use a defensive cooldown unless it was a dire need. The only time I saw their MP bar move during the entirety of the first section up to the final boss was when they were hitting Flood of Darkness to give themselves Dark Arts.
On the final group of mobs before the first boss, he finally uses TBN... because I have the sprite tethered to me and I get healing magic down (luckily Benediction isn't effected by that at all. Thanks YoshiP)
Also of note, the entire first boss. The only cooldown they used was Blood Price... when they were at 65% MP.
Just after the 2nd boss there is another sprite that gets tethered to the healer. Which isn't good for me because it only happens when you do the double pull after the boss.
So I'm focusing on dodging AoEs and trying to burn down the sprite and i'm watching the party window. They only throw up rampart a good 10 secs after they have double pulled and they only throw up TBN when they hit 20k HP as they sprite is STILL TETHERED TO ME. I dodge more AoEs and just as his TBN is about to drop off, I hit him with a Bene but I still had 6 secs left of healing down debuff. By the time healing down drops off, he has used TBN again. Nice two cooldowns back to back, I like your style. So I hit him with a Lily and stand in to use Holy. Well I stand in to use Holy and the tank decides to stand in 3 AoEs because his health, with TBN, goes from 114k to 55k in under 4 seconds.
At this point, I'm now trying to get to him instead of casting Holy to try and help burn the mobs down which aren't going down anytime soon. By the time I get to him, he is sitting at 15k. Lily, Cure 2, Assize, Devine Bene... his health goes to 1238 HP. He lost health in the few seconds that I was healing him. After he realises what health he is at, he starts running around, kiting mobs... INTO MORE AOEs. facepalm
I was just luckily that Devine Bene kept him alive long enough for another lily to flower and hit him with it which was basically the only thing that kept him alive long enough as the DPS managed to finish off the mobs and the first pull after the second boss was over.
But just before those mobs go down... he hits Shadow Wall. With the only 2 remaining mobs at less than 3% health each.
I was ready to scream at this stage, but I am doing this for my friend... I shall press on.
Bonus question: do you think this discouraged him from double pulling again?
Well, if you said "hell no! He's gonna dive into the next pull with bells on!", congratulations! You win the next part of the tale.
Second double pull just before the 2nd boss was pretty much alright. Nothing too outrageous to report from that pull. Maybe a misclick on Delirium (I say a misclick because he got the buff for it and then proceeded to use Edge of Darkness before not spamming anything of note)
2nd boss is pretty interesting. Especially when the DRK runs into 3 AoEs that are overlapping, uses Delirium and only moves out of one of them so he gets 2 stacks of vulnerability and THEN puts on TBN. He then proceeds to get another stack of vuln before the end of the fight with the exploding chicken face in which I honestly thought that he was going to bite it because he still didn't use anything to mitigate the damage that was coming.
It was at this stage that I checked his gear.
Everything 430 except belt, bracelet, necklace and one ring. All between 400 and 406. Even though he had a grand total of zero materia on his gear I knew that he shouldn't be anywhere near this squishy. This is about average for what a new tank would be using if they were coming into this dungeon for the first time so I shouldn't have nearly enough trouble as I have been trying to keep him alive.
We get to the final stage before the final boss and he double pulls the first two packs and pops Rampart... and nothing else for a while
He only uses TBN when his health gets below 50k. He kept moving and dodging away from enemies and INTO the AoEs. His health went from 90k to 14k with auto attacks in about 7 seconds even with me using a Lily on him and haflway through casting Cure 2. I eventually just had to use Bene on him because I wasn't going to be able to keep him up otherwise.
After I use the bene, the Bard kills the bomb tether on him and takes him to about 8% of his health. So I get him back up and by the time I spend the precious few seconds getting the Bard up, the tank FINALLY hits Shadow Wall but is still biting it, running around with his head cut off.
I then hit Temperance, Medica 2, (move out of an AoE) Swiftcast + Holy, (move out of AoE) Lily on tank, Cure 2 on tank (gets interrupted cause I have to move out of an AoE), Cure 2 on tank again. Tank dies. WHILE A CRIT CURE 2 GOES OFF ON HIM.
https://i.imgur.com/K8ac7LL.gif
Thank you server ticks.
I keep the other two DPS alive just fine as I rez the tank and we burn through the rest of the mobs. The tank then says in chat "Guess I'll pull small".
TOO LATE FOR THAT NOW ISN'T IT? WE ARE ON THE LAST PULL BEFORE THE BOSS.
I managed to keep you alive for the entire dungeon and NOW you want to pull small? Fine. I would have been fine with you pulling small for the entire dungeon.
We wiped on the final boss and that was my fault. I know that because I moved the wrong way and got deleted by the lasers that come from the side even though I corrected myself and moved out of it, server ticks had other ideas. I still moved into it and it was my fault from the wipe.
But we burn down the boss and finally get out of there after an exhausting 30 mins.
Sorry for the novel. But tank, if you are out there... using your damage mitigation abilities when all of the mobs are at 10% HP and the end of a double pull is not the best time to use them.
I didn't say anything to you because it was late, I was tired and I didn't feel like getting kicked because I like running content with my friend. Please, please, PLEASE... use your freaking cooldowns.
Edit: It was Blood Weapon not Blood Price. I knew it restored MP and got thr name mixed up.
I've been calling it Blood Price since I levelled it up in ShB and no one in my FC has corrected me haha.