Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Instead of complaining about others, I'll post my own duty finder issues. I have a terrible habit of eating the 365 dungeon boss canisters like they're candy. I can never get out of the way. Also, on the eden prime boss, I eat those line and circle aeos like crazy. Sometimes it's not someone else. Sometimes it's all you.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

I swear with the attitude some of you have toward people it makes me glad I started off tanking for my FC only as I had huge anxiety taking the lead. Had I gotten people like you when I first started, demanding huge pulls and berating those who don't perform I am positive I would have dropped it right then. If you are doing a pre-formed group for speed runs, sure you can hold the tank to that caliber but not someone in a leveling dungeon, especially when the class starts at 60. You can have all tanks other than GNB to 80 and still do slow pulls first time while you adjust to the new skills.

As it is tanks normally are the missing link to us getting into a dungeon, give them a small break if they are struggling cus I'd rather have a normal run than no run at all. Now if they are being a total butt then yeah out the door, but one who is legitimately asking to take it slow or not stress about maximum pulls then they are fine.

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There's no difference between starting a gunbreaker at 60 or skipping a paladin to 60 with a potion. You should be expected to play as if you played for 60 levels with that job.

If you need a refresher, there's a long list of duties below level 60 you can use to practice. Perhaps even start at Brayflox and work your way up through the greatest hits if you want to show courtesy to people you play with.

If just jumping into tanking the Vault ends in failure without knowing your buttons gets you kicked or berated, that's perfectly fine. If that makes you anxious to pick up tanking, that stunning lack of courtesy on your own part (going 0-60 and expecting to learn at 60) should keep you away on its own. That's perfectly fine.

We still have a surplus of tanks, so I'm not going to think twice about replacing one that hasn't put in any effort outside of the party-- especially if they're skipping.

Tanks *make wall to wall pulls*
Me, a mildly skilled healer: "FINALLY someone who GETS ME"
The very same tank: "Lol what's a cooldown"
Me: "no not like that."
*several butt clenches later*
Tank: "Good heals"
*gets one comm*

My title may be "God of Magic" but it's mostly for theatrics, and not to be taken literally.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

There's no difference between starting a gunbreaker to 60 or skipping a paladin to 60 with a potion. You should be expected to play as if you played for 60 levels with that job.

If you need a refresher, there's a long list of duties below level 60 you can use to practice. Perhaps even start at Brayflox and work your way up through the greatest hits if you want to show courtesy to people you play with.

If just jumping into tanking the Vault ends in failure without knowing your buttons gets you kicked or berated, that's perfectly fine. If that makes you anxious to pick up tanking, that stunning lack of courtesy on your own part should keep you away on its own. That's perfectly fine.

We still have a surplus of tanks, so I'm not going to think twice about replacing one that hasn't put in any effort outside of the party.

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Training dummies also exist if you want to get a basic rotation down.

Just got out of a Shishui run where the whm we had did nothing but spam Cure I, pop the occasional Asylum/Cure II and one or two Assize. They came in full shire gear with the lvl 60 white cane you buy from the npc, they left with the dungeon cane at least.

Kinda glad I asked if I should mass pull or no at the start, I probably would've given that lalafell a heart attack.

Went into low level as a BLM last night and got Haukke Manor with a newbie AST; he was wearing that Jedi Knight caster armor and highest job level he has is a 70 nin. After clearing the first room, the tank decided to pull everything down to the next locked room. The healer was still trying to adjust so we wiped as a result. Tank and the other dps then decided that playing with a new AST that can't handle mass pulls is a waste of their time and quit the dungeon before the healer could even apologize. Thankfully we got another new tank and dps and were able to finish without any issue.

Finally got BLM to 72.... and their AOE rotation is so much more awesome now lol

You know, with reading all of these in here... the one thing that has really started to stand out is just how much of a free pass the DPS's seem to get unless they do something incredibly outrageous.

Tank doesn't pull big enough, they get blasted... Healer cant heal the big pull they get blasted... These two kinds of stories pop up way way more often than the DPS's not aoe'ing or standing in the fire, or constantly failing to meet dps race requirements, you know like the dps race requirement for the big pulls to succeed? Yet for whatever reason, more often than not its the tank or healer that first gets the blame for those pulls failing. Go figure.

Part of why I'm a bit more lenient on a tank or healer failing, as their failures are painfully obvious already... its the dps that get to quietly sweep theirs under the rug and try and point fingers elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

You know, with reading all of these in here... the one thing that has really started to stand out is just how much of a free pass the DPS's seem to get unless they do something incredibly outrageous.

Tank doesn't pull big enough, they get blasted... Healer cant heal the big pull they get blasted... These two kinds of stories pop up way way more often than the DPS's not aoe'ing or standing in the fire, or constantly failing to meet dps race requirements, you know like the dps race requirement for the big pulls to succeed? Yet for whatever reason, more often than not its the tank or healer that first gets the blame for those pulls failing. Go figure.

Part of why I'm a bit more lenient on a tank or healer failing, as their failures are painfully obvious already... its the dps that get to quietly sweep theirs under the rug and try and point fingers elsewhere.

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A large part of this is SE not allowing us to use the necessary tools to gauge dps's performance and handing out bans to those trying to hold players accountable for their underperformance.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

You know, with reading all of these in here... the one thing that has really started to stand out is just how much of a free pass the DPS's seem to get unless they do something incredibly outrageous.

Tank doesn't pull big enough, they get blasted... Healer cant heal the big pull they get blasted... These two kinds of stories pop up way way more often than the DPS's not aoe'ing or standing in the fire, or constantly failing to meet dps race requirements, you know like the dps race requirement for the big pulls to succeed? Yet for whatever reason, more often than not its the tank or healer that first gets the blame for those pulls failing. Go figure.

Part of why I'm a bit more lenient on a tank or healer failing, as their failures are painfully obvious already... its the dps that get to quietly sweep theirs under the rug and try and point fingers elsewhere.

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True but the only way for us to know is if you see them doing single target attacks vs AoEs and that is assuming you are familiar with each classes AoEs skill and potential. Without a parser anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

You know, with reading all of these in here... the one thing that has really started to stand out is just how much of a free pass the DPS's seem to get unless they do something incredibly outrageous.

Tank doesn't pull big enough, they get blasted... Healer cant heal the big pull they get blasted... These two kinds of stories pop up way way more often than the DPS's not aoe'ing or standing in the fire, or constantly failing to meet dps race requirements, you know like the dps race requirement for the big pulls to succeed? Yet for whatever reason, more often than not its the tank or healer that first gets the blame for those pulls failing. Go figure.

Part of why I'm a bit more lenient on a tank or healer failing, as their failures are painfully obvious already... its the dps that get to quietly sweep theirs under the rug and try and point fingers elsewhere.

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Part of this is because of redundancy within the party.

It's pretty normal for one DPS to do well and the other to underperform. If the healer and tank are on top of things, they can make up the DPS deficit.

AoE damage is something we all have in spades, but healing and mitigation are in comparatively short supply.