How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

Hey !

Got late with my lore gear and didn't cap it for two weeks, so I only got the DRG pants. But since next week I'll have 600 tomestone, what piece should I pick ?

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Boots or head, I would say? Just be sure to have 1000 tomes on week 7! O:

What is the current Skill Speed caps, I have around 750+ I know that 3.0 SS cap was 652, I wasnt sure if that was still relevant since I am i219 now. >?

Does anyone have an example of BIS for Crit Det Acc and SS, just wondering what the best ratio is here, mine is currently STR 1150 Acc 568 Crit 867 Det 542 and SS 745, i am only DPSing around 1330 now, and that seems very low for i219 DRG? What do you all think???

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Originally Posted by NoctCrystallz

Does anyone have an example of BIS for Crit Det Acc and SS, just wondering what the best ratio is here, mine is currently STR 1150 Acc 568 Crit 867 Det 542 and SS 745, i am only DPSing around 1330 now, and that seems very low for i219 DRG? What do you all think???

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where that 100 extra ss come from? and 568 acc can't even make A1S acc cap

current patch for Drg, before A8S clear, stats shud reach 690~700 acc, 900+ crit, around 500 det and 600-640 ss, always fulfil the acc and ss then pour in as much crit and det as u can

THIS, this is what I was looking for, VERY INFORMATIVE, I will start implementing what you suggest and comment back what I find %)

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Originally Posted by NoctCrystallz

Does anyone have an example of BIS for Crit Det Acc and SS, just wondering what the best ratio is here, mine is currently STR 1150 Acc 568 Crit 867 Det 542 and SS 745, i am only DPSing around 1330 now, and that seems very low for i219 DRG? What do you all think???

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Here is about as close as you'll get:

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

All of the weighted BiS sets at around the projected 720 accuracy are all roughly the same. 600 DET, 600 SS, 1030CRT, tbh.

As for the sets for the lower accuracy requirements, I think it would be best to solve it for the highest accuracy requirement, then "lock" the melds into the "BiS items", when solving for the accuracy tier below.

That way you won't end up with something dumb, like two different meld combinations for 1 piece of equipment, for two different accuracy requirements.

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Higher skill speed starts throwing off botd cycles (and likely exasperates CT clipping). With that in mind you really don't want to go too much over the 650 range for skill speed. You'll also want around 100 more accuracy for midas savage. Your other stats are acceptable.

And yes, your dps # seems a bit low for that item level. I'm going to go out on a limb and say at 1330 your rotation is likely OK, it's just gonna be managing all your jumps and oGCDs a bit better. Should be able to sustain 1600+ for 3 mins.

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Originally Posted by NoctCrystallz

What is the current Skill Speed caps, I have around 750+ I know that 3.0 SS cap was 652, I wasnt sure if that was still relevant since I am i219 now. >?

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There isn't really a soft-cap on SS, where you become utterly useless. It's just a recommendation of 590 - > 654 SS to perform a perfect string of GCDs without clipping.

The bare minimum SS is approximately 540, taking into consideration animation locks, to perform the basic GCD rotation.

579 is approximately the bare minimum SS required to perform an x2 GK in BFB

654 is the soft cap, where you'll start gaining diminishing returns on 1 clean BOTD per 20 SS.

719 is the cap where you can only perform maximum 3 clean BOTD cycles, before you clip your GCD.

At 720+ SS, you'll need to either delay BOTD application into the next combo, or purposefully use GK, missing out on a 4th, but you can use BOTD 1 GCD earlier.

You guys are GREAT! Great Community Great Feedback!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by NoctCrystallz

What is the current Skill Speed caps, I have around 750+ I know that 3.0 SS cap was 652, I wasnt sure if that was still relevant since I am i219 now. >?

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According to dervy: 690ish if you move BotD before IR in the opener, as it cuts down on the loss of cycles you can complete. Beyond that Thendiel showed that you didn't reach another appropriate window for skillspeed until 850+ (900 to be comfortable with timing) which would allow 3.5 gierskoguls per minute instead of the standard 3.

Edit: Tyra summarized it quite nicely.

So I'm currently very very lost on what to upgrade. I decided to switch mains to DRG after maining BLM since HW dropped, so my DRG was "decked" out in mostly full i210 left side ESO and i200 ESO right side. Needless to say it was exactly the best. Since I switched I have been clamoring and grasping to hit a high enough amount of ACC, and for now I finally got my SKS below 700, at i216.

This is currently what I'm working with, the two eso acc's are both i200 sadly.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TB8O

Take note that I'm currently extremely broke and can't/wont be able afford to penta meld, or get much materia outside the free ones you can get.
The last time I tested out my self I pushed around 1440dps on the SephEX SSS, clearing with like 10/12 seconds left. Though I have pulled more around 1500+ on regular dummies.

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Originally Posted by Holocyll

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Take note that I'm currently extremely broke and can't/wont be able afford to penta meld, or get much materia outside the free ones you can get.
The last time I tested out my self I pushed around 1440dps on the SephEX SSS, clearing with like 10/12 seconds left. Though I have pulled more around 1500+ on regular dummies.

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This may sound a little harsh but, why did you get crafted gear made if you can't afford to meld it? The benefit it provides is largely going to be defeated by leaving slots open on it. I highly recommend you level your beast tribes asap if you haven't already or can't afford materia on the market board (prices are falling daily on my server).

Beyond that, get your midan story neck and your lore ring this week to get rid of those 200 pieces. This will leave you bereft of accuracy, so you're going to have to eat food if you wanna do seph/savage. If you don't wanna do that, go run void ark twice and get the farthings to upgrade those 200 accessories. That's a 20 ilvl jump for about an hours worth of work.

Best in Slot 3.2 DRG generated from Ariyala

Link: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TBFK

STR: 1314
Accuracy: 724
CRIT: 1057
DET: 602
SKSP: 618
Total Weight: 2730 (18 STR Racial Keeper of the Moon) 2735 (highest possible 23 STR Racial)
Food: Baked Pira Pira / Flint Caviar

• No Accuracy melds
• No Skill Speed melds

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If anyone has a higher weighted Best in Slot i'd love to see it because well it'll overcome mine obviously.
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Any confirmation that this is the confirmed BiS would help aswell. Kinda lost with all these options to change gear around with melds, which I don't care at all about.

This is what im aiming for

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TBHA

i Dunno the accuracy cap for a8s so went baked pipira to be safe but i would definately use steamed staff on every over fight

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Originally Posted by AlereRaeder

"BIS" with no accuracy melds

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You can 100% not call this BiS without using accuracy melds...
You are using the lore chest just for the accuracy which is terrible compared to the Midan version.

Other guys have already "solved" for the assumed accuracy cap, solving for all melding combinations. Just go back a couple of pages.

Exactly. In nearly all scenarios. Augmented Slipstream Legs with x2 Acc Vs' are BiS.

kk got it, just seemed like important information was said and lost in the posts
Thanks you two

For the Feast, what is the best way to burst? The way I see it, there's 2 options:

Precast your buffs (BL,B4B, IR, BOTD) open with spineshatter > HT > TTT combo. This allows you to weave damage oGCDs(not sure best order), while making sure full thrust is under Life Surge. This seems preferential to me because in all the streams I watch, the target will die faster (gives the enemy healer less time to react if they're chain stunned or slept). But your initiation will be telegraphed, and you will have less sustained damage to mop up the remaining targets who usually flee.

Or alternatively open with spineshatter > HT > chaos thrust combo and begin by immediately double weaving your buffs (BL, B4b etc.) You want to apply Impulse rush before chaos thrust so that the positional requirement is nullified and end up using life surge on your 4th combo. You will have maximum uptime on your buffs, but your burst will be slightly lower (take 5 gcds instead of 4).

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by AlereRaeder

kk got it, just seemed like important information was said and lost in the posts
Thanks you two

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It's ok man, I think everyone would like to know. It's just not as clear cut this time I suspect, with us not knowing the exact accuracy caps yet and the addition of melding.

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

Exactly. In nearly all scenarios. Augmented Slipstream Legs with x2 Acc Vs' are BiS.

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Out of curiosity Tyra, is the difference between some of the top weighted sets just a piece of materia or two? Or is it actual gear pieces being swapped around?

Any advice for a lvl 53 dragoon in the HW starter armor on the quest ' keeping the flame alive' where you save Raubahn from the Crystal Braves? Died twice on the final encounter with Ilberd, Yuyuhase and Laurentius with lvl ? and 1 or 2 lvl 51 mobs. I keep getting killed by Ilberd while trying to kill the archer and conjurer and leaving the other 2 lvl ? for Alphinaud and Yugiri...

so high SS in 3.2 is good? I have reached 1026crit 427det 570 SS 691 ACC I COULD add more SS which I need and I still haven't upgraded my Gordian Savage gloves to Midas/Lore yet I'm really confused I can clear A6S and haven't tried a7s please help

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Originally Posted by Khadroth

Out of curiosity Tyra, is the difference between some of the top weighted sets just a piece of materia or two? Or is it actual gear pieces being swapped around?

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Both.

I think there's approximately 120k different combinations of gear and melds you can use this patch.

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Originally Posted by jack891

This is what im aiming for
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TBHA

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Thanks for this! Im also working towards that now

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Originally Posted by jack891

This is what im aiming for

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TBHA

i Dunno the accuracy cap for a8s so went baked pipira to be safe but i would definately use steamed staff on every over fight

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Just for your information. you have 1x Acurracy IV so your BiS actually has +3 accuracy than you've listed on the website :)

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Originally Posted by Ayumi_Sandara

Just for your information. you have 1x Acurracy IV so your BiS actually has +3 accuracy than you've listed on the website :)

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No? The piece with the Acc IV is capped on Accuracy, and if you shift that Acc Materia anywhere else, you'll end up replacing 12 Crit with 12 Det, which is a net loss of stat weight, when breaking things down.

The idea of that set is to maximize Crit while reaching ACC and SKS caps? I don't particularly like it, but yeah.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

No? The piece with the Acc IV is capped on Accuracy, and if you shift that Acc Materia anywhere else, you'll end up replacing 12 Crit with 12 Det, which is a net loss of stat weight, when breaking things down.

The idea of that set is to maximize Crit while reaching ACC and SKS caps? I don't particularly like it, but yeah.

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my bad then sry :)

Is it confirmed that the acc cap for A8S stands in 723? or is it 720?

if its 723, ive come up with this one: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TEEK

any ideas?

No one knows. No one is saying anything, but it's definitely in the 700-730 range.

EDIT: 696 is the value that's been flying around for A8S Flank, afaik. But from the looks of it, there's definitely a few mechanics where you're forced to attack from the front on Brute Justice.

705 for front at most, apparently: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...=1#post6662298

Yeah, I just read it myself. If that's true, then our BiS stats will be:

705 Acc
1135 CRT
613 DET
611 SS
Baked Pipira HQ

Need more confirmation however before I post the set.

Oops, he made a very slight mistake in one of the gear pieces, meld wise, when listing them all in his spreadsheet :(

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Originally Posted by MiniTyra

Yeah, I just read it myself. If that's true, then our BiS stats will be:

705 Acc
1135 CRT
613 DET
611 SS
Baked Pipira HQ

Need more confirmation however before I post the set.

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I can't beat it. In fact, I'm not even sure how you got to those numbers, as I always end up short on crit or sksp. Best I could manage was: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TG82 705 Acc/1084 Crit/613 Det/594 Sksp. I take it there's something I didn't consider lol.

Yea got no idea how u managed to get those stats mini but grats if u did, cant wait to see the set

I'll post it later

Edit: RIP presumptions.

Nah, he screwed up ever so slightly when inputting all possible meld combinations. One of the gear pieces had too much SS :(

Having said that...

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Originally Posted by Khadroth

I can't beat it. In fact, I'm not even sure how you got to those numbers, as I always end up short on crit or sksp. Best I could manage was: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TG82 705 Acc/1084 Crit/613 Det/594 Sksp. I take it there's something I didn't consider lol.

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That set is actually, extremely good...

There's a few sets (now they've been triple checked), which are all roughly 600 SS, give or take 10, which are all within 1 weight of each other. Yours is one of them. I might just post a list of all of the viable sets and people can just pick what they prefer, as I won't be going for any of those sets, personally...

Aww shame there was a mistake, guess il just stick to mine and swap out an acc v for crit v if 705 is the acc cap

I'm going for one of them sub-500 SS sets, but then again I raid with Selene.

How comes? I've seen a few people stating they want to go sub500, but whenever I ask, they never actually state why

I can't speak to anyone else's reasons, but for me it's (1) maximizing crit/det, (2) Fey Wind takes care of a lot of the benefits of high SS (half the time, anyhow), (3) BotD and Fey Wind have this synergy where they're both 60s roughly synced and you end up with a slightly higher number of half-rotations/minute overall, and that's what directly drives Geirskoguls / minute.

Even running 579 SS last tier, I consistently ran into what Thendiel calls "the dead zone" in his write-up because I was getting a GCD / minute rate closer to like 675 SS.

Really? I've not ran below 670SS since A4S and I've rarely ever encountered Thendiels "Deadzone" and that's with Selenes uptime at 100%. Do you use IR -> BOTD, or BOTD -> IR in your opener? I've switched to the latter and it just feels so much more fantastic.

Talking of low SS, I will say, cooldown alignment is definitely "better" to some degree. Life Surge procs with Full Thrust more often and delaying the 2nd BFB by a GCD (So using it after True Thrust), reaps really insane PPS benefits, over using it before the Phlebotomize (As long as the BFB is delayed). Delaying it this way, pushes the 3rd BFB to after a HT, which again, gives you really high PPS benefits, purely because of the interaction with Jump and BFB.

If that's the case then there's this: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TGWZ 708 acc/ 1096 crit/ 613 det/576 sksp

Weights slightly higher than mine earlier, but I didn't post it since I figured it was too low of sksp when I initially ran across it.

Still I gotta say I like jack's alternative the most so far. Slightly higher weight than either of mine, more crit, and sits right at that sweet 610 sksp amount that I find to be perfect.