Airship Guide

Hey guys, got 11 Unaspected crystals fr8m sector 7 today

http://i.imgur.com/Tq7MQAi.png

so this happened while leveling up the airship.


Dravanian Motes can be found in Sector 6.

Did they nerf the grade 4 crafting materia yields?

before patch I usually got 20 to 30 materia per perfect extraction yield, since patch only about 10....

Is someone else experiencing the same or can prove that I'm wrong?

I don't have a screenshot to show you, I forgot to take one, but I unlocked The Diadem (Hard) when exploring sector 20 ^^

I have a feeling it can unlock from any of the rank 50 sectors.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

Did they nerf the grade 4 crafting materia yields?

before patch I usually got 20 to 30 materia per perfect extraction yield, since patch only about 10....

Is someone else experiencing the same or can prove that I'm wrong?

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Nope. I'm still getting plentiful of Grade IV materias.

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Originally Posted by Arstas

In our FC we wanted to figure out the best combinations of parts for our airships and their roles. Given that there are so many possible combinations I decided to quickly write a crude script to first generate all possible combinations of airships (with < 61 components) and then filter them based on stats we chose. It turns out that it works really well.

http://sandcastle-khadgar.co.uk/medi...hips/index.php

/Arstas

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As someone that did a lot of ship parts theory crafting on paper (50+ sheets of little mini tables) You have just saved people a lot of time. Well done!

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Originally Posted by PepperPandemic

As someone that did a lot of ship parts theory crafting on paper (50+ sheets of little mini tables) You have just saved people a lot of time. Well done!

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Thanks a lot!. I can imagine your pain (and determination) I'm just sorry i'm a bit late to the party.

Hopefully some others will find it useful, even if it's just reinforce that the builds in the OP are the best choice.

For the sake of data, this is my third time sending out the appropriately geared ships to sector 22 and no Diadem hardmode yet.

Got Oriental Grass from Sector 7.

Also second time in a row sent to 21->22 and did not unlock diadem HM.

http://i.imgur.com/ZYl4tB8.png

Deep-green Crystal discovered in Sector 3.

Discovered The Diadem (Hard) by doing a voyage from sectors 18 to 20 since our FC doesn't have sectors 21 and 22 unlocked. If I recall correctly it got unlocked after leaving sector 18.

Screen proving I don't have sectors 21 nor 22
http://puu.sh/lntIo/ccd9559a2b.jpg

Screen proving that my FC does have The Diadem (hard) unlocked
http://puu.sh/lntFM/7773be233f.jpg

We have found Wind Silk on sector 16. We got 3 NQ.

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Originally Posted by Arstas

In our FC we wanted to figure out the best combinations of parts for our airships and their roles. Given that there are so many possible combinations I decided to quickly write a crude script to first generate all possible combinations of airships (with < 61 components) and then filter them based on stats we chose. It turns out that it works really well.

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Awesome! This is a very handy tool for planning your fleet! \o/ Do you mind if I put a link to it in my guide?

I think most of us went through a parts shuffle when we were trying to outfit our new airships but also send our higher level airships out to sectors that have a minimum surveillance requirement. Something like this would have been really nice!

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Originally Posted by MommyConnie

Discovered The Diadem (Hard) by doing a voyage from sectors 18 to 20 since our FC doesn't have sectors 21 and 22 unlocked. If I recall correctly it got unlocked after leaving sector 18.

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Thanks for the screenshot evidence! It was really starting to look like the diadem has some special unlocking conditions, it has been reported from 18, 20, 21, and 22. This could be useful knowledge for people still trying to unlock, might as well hit as many of those higher level sectors as you can!

On an unrelated note, for the new items I've started putting links to the reporting posts for attribution rather than mention everyone's username, just for the sake of readability. Thanks everyone for the continued reports!

Is there a list of all the items you can trade in for at the Diadem? Like a link? This is my go-to thread of everything Airship related.

You can check the vendors at the Ishgard Airship Landing, they have the same items to trade in as the vendor inside Diadem.

Fyi,

You can check the spoils in housing zones too.

Does anyone know if your airships get experience from Airship Missions to the Diadem (Easy/Normal)?

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Originally Posted by Arstas

I haven't read all of the thread so apologies if there is already a calculator.

In our FC we wanted to figure out the best combinations of parts for our airships and their roles. Given that there are so many possible combinations I decided to quickly write a crude script to first generate all possible combinations of airships (with < 61 components) and then filter them based on stats we chose. It turns out that it works really well.

If you raise the stats slowly in order of importance you can quickly reduce the number of results to a manageable amount, even right down to a single ship combination. Yay!

I think others can make use of this tool, so i'll post here it.

http://sandcastle-khadgar.co.uk/medi...hips/index.php

Maybe one day I will have enough time to write a better looking or more functional version.

/Arstas

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Converted to in-browser Javascript, to remove the dependency on that server (or Internet access at all). Also, and probably more usefully, added sorting capability.

http://aine-yhisa.neocities.org/airship-parts-calc.html

(I hope at some point to add the ability to specify a set of available airship parts, since very few FCs are going to have four of every part. Alternatively, I may wander off and forget I made this. The future is mysterious and unwritten!)

Sorry for vanishing, but babies are complicated. I'll try to update the spreadsheets within the next few days.

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Originally Posted by Soleillante

Converted to in-browser Javascript, to remove the dependency on that server (or Internet access at all). Also, and probably more usefully, added sorting capability.

http://aine-yhisa.neocities.org/airship-parts-calc.html

(I hope at some point to add the ability to specify a set of available airship parts, since very few FCs are going to have four of every part. Alternatively, I may wander off and forget I made this. The future is mysterious and unwritten!)

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This is going to be really nice in the future if they ever raise the capacity cap for airships :)

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Sorry for vanishing, but babies are complicated. I'll try to update the spreadsheets within the next few days.

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Firstly, congratulations! Also, no one's blaming you :) I'm sorry I haven't had time to update them either. Thinking out loud here, depending on what we're trying to do with the spreadsheet it might be smart to denote the date on entries of 3.1 entries vs 3.0. It seems like they changed where a lot of things drop from in the latest patch; they might have also changed some of their formulas and using data from 3.0 might mess up analyses.

Dravanian Motes also found in Sector 13 - credit to user who posted on reddit for image.
http://i.imgur.com/dP8ereD.png

Sector 10 Potters Stones are being found as well.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

I have a feeling it can unlock from any of the rank 50 sectors.

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I believe this is probably the case.
I'm sure the undiscovered sector 23 is Diadem, and sectors 21 and 22 are closest in proximity to it, so that makes sense.
As per the below image though, it would seem even more likely that 17 would discover it rather than sector 20, which is further away.
Also because of it's greater distance, sector 19 would seem unlikely to discover it, but possibly for the sake of having all level 50 sectors able to discover the area, they may have included it also.

With any luck, some people will be able to post evidence of the remaining 2 level 50 sectors unlocking the zone.

http://i66.tinypic.com/f3au85.jpg


On a side note, it would reasonably make sense that sector 16 would be in the area to discover the Diadem, however being under the required airship level to actually visit the zone, it seems less likely that it would be discoverable.

I am at 10-12 voyages without unlocking now, I have tried virtually every combonation for zones 16, 17, 20, 21, 22 as my trips. RNG sucks, SE sucks, It's like the 4 months we spent on making max tier airships was pointless when you could have the lowest possible ship with 90 survey doing the same thing. There is little point in the loot as most of it can be bought faster in Diadem with the currency outside of the minion/housing mats but the market board has already been flooded with all of those items pre-3.1 launch.

On a side note, the only thing I have not tested is the actual parts on my ship. I have all the ships at 59+ component setup but not all ships have a Tatanora part on it, could this be part of unlocking Diadem? Having at least 1 tatanora part on a ship?

Possibly in the future put what your ship setup was after unlocking Diadem?

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Originally Posted by Soleillante

Converted to in-browser Javascript, to remove the dependency on that server (or Internet access at all). Also, and probably more usefully, added sorting capability.

http://aine-yhisa.neocities.org/airship-parts-calc.html

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First thing that definitely needed to be included was sorting, and now it's solved! As well as greatly improved overall. Thanks!.

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Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni

Awesome! This is a very handy tool for planning your fleet! \o/ Do you mind if I put a link to it in my guide?

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Your welcome to do whatever you want with it, but it's better to use the link Soleillante provided now.

I'll leave mine in place as a reference, but doubt I will make any changes now we have the JavaScript version

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Originally Posted by Lazrex

On a side note, the only thing I have not tested is the actual parts on my ship. I have all the ships at 59+ component setup but not all ships have a Tatanora part on it, could this be part of unlocking Diadem? Having at least 1 tatanora part on a ship?

Possibly in the future put what your ship setup was after unlocking Diadem?

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Took my FC 10 trips. 4 solo trips to 22 (failed), 2 solo trips to 21 (failed), 2 trips to 21->22 (failed), 2 trips to 22->21 (unlocked on the second try).

None of my ships have tatanora parts. The one that unlocked it has an Enterprise Hull, Invincible Propellers, Odyssey forecastle, & Odyssey aftcastle.

Got Oriental Grass from Sector 14.

http://i.imgur.com/KtSJ68m.jpg?1

For the sake of data this is the 6th time my ship has come back from 21 > 22 and still no Diadem hardmode. This ship does has a tatanora piece and has since it hit 50 months before the Diadem came out. I had another ship with a tatanora pice do 17 - 18, and nothing.

SE clearly just wants the salt of my tears for their fries.

Yeah, we seemed to have unlocked Diadem hard from sector 18 as well:

http://imgur.com/a/Q5zav

We have 4 airships rank 50. One ship has Tantanora body and forecastle on it and takes literally 5 1/2 days to go out and come back if we send it to sectors 18-22. We just did that and no unlock for diadem hard mode and it brought back junk as well (so much for that huge boost to favor and survey). Been sending the other 2 airships to 6 10 13 for chance at motes and potter stones and still nothing as well just 2 items per trip. Crystals and junk items that are no value/use (resin/clay/empty crystals). This dang RNG crap is holding up the entire workshop progress and there's only a small few stages left to do, can't buy the mats either cuz they are beyond overpriced on MB atm as well. It wouldn't be so bad if the trips didn't range from 17-32+ hours in hopes at a RNG chance at obtain an item you need. May have to start using the 1 airship saved for Diadem runs to farm as well to increase the odds.

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Originally Posted by Soleillante

(I hope at some point to add the ability to specify a set of available airship parts, since very few FCs are going to have four of every part. Alternatively, I may wander off and forget I made this. The future is mysterious and unwritten!)

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It seems the former happened, and not the latter! (Or at least before the latter.) The new version is up at the same URL:

http://aine-yhisa.neocities.org/airship-parts-calc.html

Found Potters stone in sector 1

http://imgur.com/imGjgw9

Logged in this morning and our 1 airship unlocked diadem Hard from Sector 22

http://i.imgur.com/oNgEkA0.png

I can also confirm we found Oriental grass as a rare drop in area 14!

http://i.imgur.com/q6BIL7Y.jpg
Finally!

Airship stats:
Surveillance: 120
Retrieval: 136
Speed: 64
Range: 66
Favor: 140

I've been sending two ships now to various combinations of the higher rank sectors and since the patch has started we have still not unlocked Diadem Hard. Is it just that our parts aren't good enough? We have well over the 90 surveillance required and I'm just not sure why I'm apparently having two weeks of nasty RNG.

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Originally Posted by Zaes

I've been sending two ships now to various combinations of the higher rank sectors and since the patch has started we have still not unlocked Diadem Hard. Is it just that our parts aren't good enough? We have well over the 90 surveillance required and I'm just not sure why I'm apparently having two weeks of nasty RNG.

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Don't feel bad, my fc's airships are doing the same. We've got 90 surveillance on one and 110 on two I think.

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Originally Posted by Zaes

I've been sending two ships now to various combinations of the higher rank sectors and since the patch has started we have still not unlocked Diadem Hard. Is it just that our parts aren't good enough? We have well over the 90 surveillance required and I'm just not sure why I'm apparently having two weeks of nasty RNG.

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Don't worry. We just got the Special Slap rating from RNGesus today. "Oh you spent how much time and effort making those Tatanora Parts? Oh your speed is super slow cuz you have super high favor, survey, and retrieval so you can get goodies? Here ya go!" Seriously this incites me to rage.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/f4a29f16...m0ito1_540.jpg

Finally, after 2 weeks sending our airships to sector 22, we've unlock the Diadem Hard mode :D

Be brave guys !!

I can confirm Dinosaur Leather from Sector 20

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...115249%202.png