What is this I don't even...

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Here you go, guys. A proper response to Ms. Prell's so-called editorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaNWzTL4O8o

Feel free to respond to it with your own opinions, seeing as how we can't do that on the site anymore because an admin felt the need to shut down the forums due to a few people coming in and ranting. lol (Although not everyone was doing that, but hey, who's counting?)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go back to cleaning and listening to The Gap Band. :p

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kind? You called me KIND?! Oh boy I think I've just been insulted :D

Just a lil thing. If you wanna comment on an article, my advice is not to read it over completely. It wastes air time and tends to lose the interest of listeners before they get to the actual commentary. Just move directly to the commenting by citing the parts that are relevant.

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Originally Posted by ClausL

you're in for a wild ride, there's going to be a lot more criticism even worse than the Penny Arcade one

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Criticism: very possible. That badly written, borderline insulting, uninformed and misinformative? Not so much, at least not on decent sites.

There are still some journalists out there that know what professional integrity is.

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

This is why we have betas and these problems are small fry.

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The problem isn't describing small problems, as much as doing whatever she can to make them sound like the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

kind? You called me KIND?! Oh boy I think I've just been insulted :D

Just a lil thing. If you wanna comment on an article, my advice is not to read it over completely. It wastes air time and tends to lose the interest of listeners. Just move directly to the commenting by citing the parts that are relevant.

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Okay, I'll take that into consideration.

Yeah, I think I went a bit too far in reading it out loud. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The problem isn't describing small problems, as much as doing whatever she can to make them sound like the end of the world.

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Yes, we've got pages stating how she's put together an article when she clearly knows nothing and then managed to somehow get the things published. She's making a big deal out of small things simply because she doesn't have any big things in the first place.

Unless the community would like to gather their pitchforks and march over to her comments box there's nothing we can do about that.

She still makes valid points about features that could use a look at. There's nothing wrong with that and her negative article only serves to strengthen 2.0's future.
Kind of ironic in a way.

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

Yes, we've got pages stating how she's put together an article when she clearly knows nothing and then managed to somehow get the things published. She's making a big deal out of small things simply because she doesn't have any big things in the first place.

Unless the community would like to gather their pitchforks and march over to her comments box there's nothing we can do about that.

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Oh, the community already did. Most without any pitchforks, but armed with informative and well thought out comments. of course someone decided to just use the few with the pitchforks as an excuse to avoid admitting the scarce quality of the preview.

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She still makes valid points about features that could use a look at. There's nothing wrong with that and her negative article only serves to strengthen 2.0's future.
Kind of ironic in a way.

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Honestly I don't think we need a journalist to point out that kind of minutiae (she can, mind you, but they're hardly a solid base for a preview). That's what we have thousands of beta testers for. The problem isn't that she pointed out some scarcely relevant negative details, but that she wrote them in a way that is highly unprofessional and borderline insulting for the people behind the game, and used them as a blanket to call the game a "pain in the ass", and other scarcely appropriate derogatory terms, which is honestly ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Oh, the community already did. Most without any pitchforks, but armed with informative and well thought out comments. of course someone decided to just use the few with the pitchforks as an excuse to avoid admitting the scarce quality of the preview.

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Why do I feel like this is going to only make readers feel worse about FFXIV after reading her article?
Just leave her be. I don't think FFXIV will benefit from their players being branded negatively

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

Why do I feel like this is going to only make readers feel worse about FFXIV after reading her article?
Just leave her be. I don't think FFXIV will benefit from their players being branded negatively

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That's why good writers don't brand readers negatively because they dare criticize what they write. And giving readers a chance for criticism is one of the reasons why one normally has a comment form at the bottom of his articles. Or better that should be one of the reasons.

Good critics can take criticism as well as they dish it.

Don't have a solid argument? Replace it with a meme or a motivated picture. Classic.

The commenters were being really obnoxious and rude, and attacking the author for personal reasons. she gave the GAME criticism, and they insulted her on a personal level.

a lot of those comments got deleted, but it definitely did reflect badly on the fanbase since those people were directed there from here.

someone wrote mean things about our favorite game, let's go "raid" the comments section! that's not immature to you?

I didn't really make myself clear

I was refering to her visitor's reading the comments box at the bottom, sorry

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Originally Posted by ClausL

The commenters were being really obnoxious and mean, and attacking the author for personal reasons. she gave the GAME criticism, and they insulted her on a personal level.

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I see no insults there. Maybe you should double check your definition of "insult", because telling someone he did a bad job isn't insulting.

And even if SOMEONE did insult (which is all to be demonstrated), branding the whole community out of it is just a petty excuse to dismiss the valid criticism.

Ultimately a good journalist should be able to take "mean and obnoxious" comments in stride (and mind you, there are very, very few comments that could be defined even near to "mean and obnoxious, you're massively overdramatizing and exaggerating). That comes with writing anything under the public spotlight, and one should be able to look inwardly and think on what in his writing caused that kind of overwhelming negative reaction, instead of conveniently thinking that something's wrong with the readers.

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she gave the GAME criticism,

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There's a difference between "criticism" and outright mockery and open (and unjustified) accusations of plagiarism, that are directed towards people, not the game.

When you accuse someone to "copy a design" you say that to people. Games don't copy. They don't make themselves.

most of the comments got deleted. People were calling her ugly, stupid bitch, etc.

definitely not the Final Fantasy fanbase's finest hour