Seems like alot of people want this game to become Free 2 Play. >.>

I don't think you calling him rude bothers him.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I don't think you calling him rude bothers him.

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It really hurts me, it's like someone has stabbed my heart with a dagger made of tears and regret.

HI GRAMUL

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I don't think you calling him rude bothers him.

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Of Course it doesn't, but I am just pointing out a fact that's what his personality is towards me right now ( and to everyone in (general).

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

1. I wasn't calling him stupid based on the fact that he was incorrect on this subject, it's through lurking these forums and seeing the things he spews out regularly.

2. They are not mutually exclusive, but the opinion that "You are stupid" after seeing him post idiotically time and time again is not a logical fallacy.

3. It was an educated guess. This post further cements my initial argument too.

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Your educated guess was wrong, then. I'm simply being lazy because double checking whether or not I've labeled your argument correctly no longer affects my grade.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much you think people deserve it, you're being an asshole. You should either block him or move on to more substantive topics.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

Your educated guess was wrong, then. I'm simply being lazy because double checking whether or not I've labeled your argument correctly no longer affects my grade.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much you think people deserve it, you're being an asshole. You should either block him or move on to more substantive topics.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Listen to the audio. It gives great reasons why the p2p model is slowly starting to fail. Shunning a game because it doesn't have a subscription fee is very foolish. If you're truly getting $180 worth of gaming a year with a p2p MMO, then so be it.

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Are you trying to say that $180 a year is a lot? Because if you saw what one of my buddies spent on League of Legends in the passed 6 months your head would explode.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Just in case anyone is really curious here is the gem store

Do you have any problem with anything they're offering?

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Yes, actually I do. But you've already put your blinders on and refuse to understand why some folks don't like the idea of paying for said items. So there's no point itemizing them.

You want to know why F2P games are keeping a "high subscription base?" No one deactivates the "Free" subscription for a game they don't play, because there's no incentive to.

The numbers are likely falsely inflated by people that log on once every couple of weeks out of sheer boredom, and the profits come from a fraction of the playerbase. So let's talk AAA Titles. What do we have? SWTOR...started out P2P, sold almost 2 million copies, and then lost half their subscribers within 3 months forcing it to go f2p so the dedicated few could float the game rather than let it die. Profitable? I'm sure it is. But you won't see me reactivating my account just because it's now "free."

Lineage I :Shut down NA servers last year after a 13 year run because it had finally run it's course. P2P All the way. Asian servers still going strong, to the best of my knowledge on a p2p basis. Lineage II: Built around f2p motif. Currently clinging to life with just under 1M subscribers, mostly Asian. But it is on the decline, care to take a bet on how long it'll be before the US Servers are closed down in spite of F2P awesomeness? And then we have runescape. Originally truly F2P With the game's funding coming from in game advertising. Because I totally want commercials and banner ads in my video games. Started bleeding subscribers when they started screwing with the game's formula, and subsequently added monetary transactions, which quite frankly hasn't helped their user base looking at my charts.

Honorable Mentions: Warhammer, WoW clone that stripped off PvE content and went PVP only. F2P. peaked at 800,000. Currently down to a whopping 3 active servers. Age of Conan: Peaked at 700,000 players. went hybrid f2p in 2011, but still floundering around 100k subscribers.

Games with 1M + in subscriptions:

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png

Games between 150k and 1M subscribers:

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

Honestly by way of comparison, some of these "AAA" titles you guys are lauding as successful and/or saved by the f2p format are floundering and went f2p in a desperate attempt to save the game from the scrap yard. Others are still bleeding off in spite of moving to f2p. Point blank, if you make a game that's WORTH playing, people won't mind 10-15 bucks a month. For the rest, f2p might let the die hards and people that can't do math float the game for a couple more years. But these games aren't the raving successes you want them to be.

Aion, Eve, and Lineage II Seem to be exceptions to the rule here. But even so, Aion is on a slow decline and Lineage isn't showing growth.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

Your educated guess was wrong, then. I'm simply being lazy because double checking whether or not I've labeled your argument correctly no longer affects my grade.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much you think people deserve it, you're being an asshole. You should either block him or move on to more substantive topics.

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It's the internet some people will be this way he doesn't hurt me any

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Originally Posted by Levian

Honorable Mentions: Warhammer, WoW clone that stripped off PvE content and went PVP only. F2P. peaked at 800,000. Currently down to a whopping 3 active servers.

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Just to clarify, WAR is about as F2P as WoW. Being stuck in T1, and T1 scenarios, is basically a forever trial. It's a horrendous failure of a game that should have moved entirely to F2P some time ago, especially since Bioware is now doing the switch for TOR.

Overall, most "AAA" games do switch to F2P out of desperation and failing subscriptions.

As to whether or not FFXIV should move to F2P I see no reason for the switch. The game managed to stop from capsizing after launch and rewarded many loyal players with several months of "F2P"-esque conditions.

2.0, in my mind, is basically a new game and a game I feel worth a monthly subscription. Aside from that, the online business model for Final Fantasy has been much more accommodating in certain regards than other P2P MMOs. (paying for fewer character slots for a smaller monthly transaction)

Woops, the Wiki page on it had it labeled as f2p. I took that at face value.

At any rate, my point was people are no less afraid to pay 10-15 bucks a month now than they were in '03. Everything coming out doesn't need a certain subscription plan to be successful. A new game at this juncture just needs more polish than they did a few years back.

I will agree that it's a new game. I also agree that it's a little too early to be jumping the shark and climbing aboard the "f2p will save us" bandwagon. Whether or ot it's worth the subscription fee I cannot venture a guess until release of 2.0. But this much I can already assure you. If I don't feel the game is adequately amusing at launch of 2.0 I'll be discontinuing my subscription. And just like with TOR, if it goes F2P sometime thereafter, it won't be enough to sway me back.

I'm in this for content and game play, not a subscription plan. P2P/F2P won't be what sways me to send SE more money, enjoyment of the game will. They want my $120 a year for the next ~10 years 2.0 needs to live up to the hype. I'm here because I have faith that they've learned from the original release's fiasco, and have worked very hard to make the game enjoyable.

Just cause people complain about this game doesn't mean it should be F2P.. let the baddies leave :P