Greenlight NA and EU Travel

Well, if they do it, they better disable party finder for Voyagers.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

They really should just open up the datacenters to travel.

OCE is a good example of it going wrong. US players can travel to us, but we cant travel too them.
The result? Players wanting to play with their US Friends chose to transfer back to US instead of having their US friends travel to OCE daily.
OCE is damn near dead, there are worries that if travel away from OCE is opened it will kill the datacenter. No it wont, people are already leaving and unlike cross DC travel, its permanently transferring.
Granted its a bit difference from the US/EU situations.
OCE exists because JP players didn't like us English speaking OCE players on 'THEIR' DC and wanted us gone, so we got a Datacenter to keep them happy and out of their hair.

I have stuck by OCE despite everything and i gotta say, not being able to run content because PF and DF are dead? Isn't exactly helping my desire to keep playing.
I miss US where i could log on at 9AM or 9PM my time and it would be active, even Frontlines was active 24/7. I however don't miss the horrible ping. I couldn't raid on US and there was no way in hell id be able to own a house there, let alone a large. I can at least do both on OCE...... or well.... I can at least own a house. Cant raid if there's nobody to raid with.

Cross DC travel id consider a failed experiment due to execution not concept.
They need too either open it up to everyone, or remove it, and if JP players don't want us dirty outsiders on their DC? Simple, they can stay isolated in their little bubble and the rest of us can have fun together.

Somethings got to change for the smaller DC's to thrive, we are no longer in the day of the WoW refugee, their streamers are all trying to force GW2 now for some reason and that's where their followers have gone (And then left because that game is not remotely represented by the popular streamer experience) lol.
Anyway SE, you have datacenters crying out for help, just open DC travel too them and be done with it. Stop making excuses.

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OC servers fill a niche spot that doesn't really have much use. Australia does not have big enough community for dedicated data center, besides, most of them already are established on JP servers and aren't just going to ditch everything and move. What they need to do is to expand it to become SEA server and translate game into more languages, to attract audience from these countries.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

OC servers fill a niche spot that doesn't really have much use. Australia does not have big enough community for dedicated data center, besides, most of them already are established on JP servers and aren't just going to ditch everything and move. What they need to do is to expand it to become SEA server and translate game into more languages, to attract audience from these countries.

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They already have... FFXIV China and Korea exist...

I don't post on the forums but bumping this topic if there is even an iota of a chance that it helps the developers understand what an important feature cross-DC PF is for the health of the game.
The talk about of NA being able to visit EU and vice versa is a distraction. We don't need cross-region capability. We just need to be able to party finder between data centers in the same region. In 2026 (going on 2027 when the next expansion is likely to release), it is unbelievable that this game does not have a cloud server architecture and dynamically scaling instances. DC/world travel should be seamless and the developers should allocate as many resources as possible to make it happen.

As a NA player who plays on EU.

I'd rather not play with NA players - I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

I prefer EU because players are mild-mannered and logical.

I don't want mix the two.

-- Not to be rude, it's just like too different culturally I think.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

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As EU player who used to play on NA dc, I kinda enjoyed that. The bombast and general, vaguely insulting weirdness everywhere I mean.
...But I can agree that being around too any people of X kind drains your energy reserved for social interactions so so fast.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

As a NA player who plays on EU.

I'd rather not play with NA players - I just find NA from the outside looking in to be obnoxious and bombastic.

I prefer EU because players are mild-mannered and logical.

I don't want mix the two.

-- Not to be rude, it's just like too different culturally I think.

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As an EU player who started on NA, I agree.

So I have a friend on NA (lives in America, east coast), who we've had to go to OCE to do some content with. Imagine if they could come to EU (without having to fully permanently transfer). I'd love to do casual content with them. When it comes to high-end content (Savage and Ultimate, potentially Extreme as well), I have a static that we raid together as. Not to mention, I remember when EU servers were actually in NA. When they moved the servers to EU, it was a breath of fresh air. No more am I dealing with inputs getting muddied due to high ping. Now, with 20ms ping, pretty much the instant I press a button to cast an ability, it actuates. It feels natural... Even for casual content I'd be hesitant to go to NA for it. If I'm doing something specifically with a friend, I'd prefer for them to come to EU. Of course, if they'll have a worse experience ping-wise coming to EU than I would going to NA, then I would accept it, but if it's about equal OR it's better for them to come to EU, I'd be wanting them to come here.

Now, EU isn't the holy bastion some make it out to be, like I recently had to kick out a player from a beginner-friendly static (and it was advertised as such), because they were doing things that would scare beginners off (such as whenever our beginners were at striking dummies to practice and improve to bridge the gap, this member would be there, watching them, having used world travel to come to us, not data centre travel, world travel). It was obvious their goals for the static didn't align with our static group's. So I let them go. One of the beginners we felt would be better switching to a different job as it was easier for them to pick up. This removed member saw that and decided that was the reason we kicked them (when it was the harassment, even our more experienced members felt uneasy pointing out issues with any of the members due to how this removed member would likely kick off about it). Bear in mind, this was an EU player on an EU server.

While I'm inclined to agree it happens more on NA than EU, I don't think it's as huge a difference in occurrence as some folk would like to make out. All in all, I can see this being a good thing to add, and it won't cause as many problems as one expects. People say that you can't do hard content on PF on Chaos because Light exists. I'd say you can, although I would argue it is easier on Light (if we're only wanting to fill 1 or 2 slots, we will PF it on Chaos for sure, but finding a full group, we'd go to Light. Funny thing about that, we did that recently for HoR Ex, two of us went to Light to try to prog it... It was either the entire group or all but 1 was from Chaos. Couldn't make it up!)

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

So I have a friend on NA (lives in America, east coast), who we've had to go to OCE to do some content with. Imagine if they could come to EU (without having to fully permanently transfer). I'd love to do casual content with them. When it comes to high-end content (Savage and Ultimate, potentially Extreme as well), I have a static that we raid together as. Not to mention, I remember when EU servers were actually in NA. When they moved the servers to EU, it was a breath of fresh air. No more am I dealing with inputs getting muddied due to high ping. Now, with 20ms ping, pretty much the instant I press a button to cast an ability, it actuates. It feels natural... Even for casual content I'd be hesitant to go to NA for it. If I'm doing something specifically with a friend, I'd prefer for them to come to EU. Of course, if they'll have a worse experience ping-wise coming to EU than I would going to NA, then I would accept it, but if it's about equal OR it's better for them to come to EU, I'd be wanting them to come here

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Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Just go to OCE and keep NA and EU separate. The fix is to make PF to include an entire regional DC meaning all servers withing a region. As a non US citizen living in the Americas, I have not played on NA DC's lately for several reasons: (1) the attitude is completely different (2) languages other than English get more visibility in EU and (3) political reasons and disrespect for who you are.

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All that is irrelevant. It's not as if people from NA will all suddenly invade EU, or like people from EU will all suddenly invade NA.

It will be more like EU players who are on NA worlds will travel to EU for ping reasons, and NA players on EU worlds will travel to NA for ping reasons. Or to play with their friend who is on the other side of the ocean. And overall that will be a minority.

The downsides people are fearing are so overblown, especially when, in many cases, the individuals who use it have an alt at the moment to solve the ping problem, but an alt is extra work for no reason.