What Zero Could've Been

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

In the sense that he continues to terrorize the player character in every scene he appears in and can’t keep his hands off them. A demon by way of that and more a clingy sort of creature whose attempts at seduction and getting close to my character fail repeatedly because he acts so strangely. A pity that they couldn’t at least have done us the favor of making him conventionally attractive if he was going to behave in such a manner.

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You speak of him almost as if he was a sexual harasser, which mate… really? I get the feeling after a MSQ scene you must just stand there and /slap the poor guy. Plus Gra is hot! Not the hottest guy in the game sure (Hello husbandos Hein and Alymeric!) but he is cute!

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

Plus Gra is hot! Not the hottest guy in the game sure (Hello husbandos Hein and Alymeric!) but he is cute!

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.w. to each their own I guess?

G'raha is literally the kind of guy I'd call a child. He's way too scrawny and jovial. I'm pretty sure Y'shtola's hotter than he is :p
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Ok but really, the game has other "romantic interests" in the MSQ, I fail to see why people have such an issue with G'raha. Is it because of his fanboy mannerisms and animations? They themselves are creepy for some, but it's not really a dealbreaker for the rest of his admiration for us. It doesn't make him a homewrecker, and it much less makes him an harasser.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

In the sense that he continues to terrorize the player character in every scene he appears in and can’t keep his hands off them. A demon by way of that and more a clingy sort of creature whose attempts at seduction and getting close to my character fail repeatedly because he acts so strangely. A pity that they couldn’t at least have done us the favor of making him conventionally attractive if he was going to behave in such a manner.

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Ok...alright dude...
I'm sorry but I really genuinely think you should go get some help or take a break. I don't mean that as an insult by any means.

Not ONE time have I ever felt he was trying to seduce me. Not one and judging by the forums I'm gonna say you're one of the only folks if not THE only person to feel that way. Ice also never seen anyone call the unattractive either. Hell if anything I usually see folks he's the hottest Scion.

Now we address your blatant lying. I could post MANY scenes to disprove your "point" of "him terrorizing the player in every scene". When "we" (ie Zenos) returned from after the Tower Of Babil and Graha/Ali ran to greet us it was him who told her to calm down n not question us to much iirc. When stuff went down a Radz and the blasphemys popped up there wasnt a lick of what you claim from Graha. He was cool calm and collected. That doesn't sound like a person trying to seduce or terrorize me n that's just TWO examples among many in EW.

Just stop dude please.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

In the sense that he continues to terrorize the player character in every scene he appears in and can’t keep his hands off them.

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The irony of this wording to describe a character in a game that's so afraid of depicting physical contact they wouldn't even let Thancred hug Ryne.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

.w. to each their own I guess?

G'raha is literally the kind of guy I'd call a child. He's way too scrawny and jovial. I'm pretty sure Y'shtola's hotter than he is :p
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Ok but really, the game has other "romantic interests" in the MSQ, I fail to see why people have such an issue with G'raha. Is it because of his fanboy mannerisms and animations? They themselves are creepy for some, but it's not really a dealbreaker for the rest of his admiration for us. It doesn't make him a homewrecker, and it much less makes him an harasser.

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I've not been shy about voicing my opinions on Graha, but I won't go into as much detail here as I have elsewhere, lest the swarm descend upon me. Do I find his mannerisms off-putting? Yes. Creepy, even. But I'm also a very "arm's length" kind of guy, so I hate those sorts of interactions by default. I get that he's a popular character and I have no problem with that. I just don't like what he has become. Everyone has their own personal preferences. He just isn't one of mine. I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a homewrecker and sexual harasser though. That seems like it's a bit too much. For me, it's about personal space and he doesn't always respect that. :p

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

.w. to each their own I guess?

G'raha is literally the kind of guy I'd call a child. He's way too scrawny and jovial. I'm pretty sure Y'shtola's hotter than he is :p
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Haha as you say, each to their own. He gives off major twink energy for sure, but I would not really call him a 'child' character though. I actually feel he is more mature then people give him credit for, in Shadowbringers especially. As for Y'shtola, oh 100% I would say she is hotter. The way she dominates in the Endwalker trailer is like... wow.

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Ok but really, the game has other "romantic interests" in the MSQ, I fail to see why people have such an issue with G'raha. Is it because of his fanboy mannerisms and animations? They themselves are creepy for some, but it's not really a dealbreaker for the rest of his admiration for us. It doesn't make him a homewrecker, and it much less makes him an harasser.

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I can understand why people dislike some aspects of him sure, we all have characters that bug us (Looking at you Tataru…) but Gra does seem to get the brunt of it unfortunately. Its kinda a surprise to me as I actually though he was a bit underwhelming and a little plain in Endwalker. I wanted him to be more involved in the story! (I know the games rules make it impossible, but he would have been my choice to take to Elpis).

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Ok...alright dude...
I'm sorry but I really genuinely think you should go get some help or take a break. I don't mean that as an insult by any means.

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They won't take one though and I'm sure someone will respond with something akin to "How else will they/I be able to let the devs and everyone else know every awaking second of every day that I'm extremely unhappy with parts of this game? That you just want me/them to take a break so that you can silence their/my voice. Silence the minority." Even if taking a step back or a break would do them some good.

Replying OP's opening post.

To be fair, had Zero been a Bayonetta-type character from the start, there wouldn't be much of a character arc to be had. She's been "living" in this grey purgatory of a world all her life, so obviously, someone with her background wouldn't be happy-go-lucky. Let's give her a chance at least. Her story's just begun.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

When was this? I must have missed a few scenes where this happened.

Also when you're being "terrorized" by someone and touched against your will it really doesn't matter if someone is conventionally attractive or not, gross.

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He said earlier that Yotsuyu's behavior could be given a pass because she's hot so it really doesn't surprise me that he'd come out with this too.

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

He said earlier that Yotsuyu's behavior could be given a pass because she's hot so it really doesn't surprise me that he'd come out with this too.

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Yotsuyu’s behavior doesn’t creep people out the way G’raha Tia’s does and actually contributed something to the story and left once her role was over instead of sticking around to do nothing of substance with herself.