The world of the First is extremely small these days. I suspect that the reason for the Exarch's "collapse" post-Eulmore has more to do with the fact that he was maintaining a projection during that entire episode and not there physically.Quote:
Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami
The Tempest is not miles upon miles below the ocean. After all, inhabitants of the Tempest went to Kholusia on raiding parties. Not quite sure what you meant by "on the opposite side of the tower", as it's pretty clear that the Tempest is off the Kholusian coast.
As for the gun-shot, well, we know that Emet-Selch was keeping him alive, so no big worries there. He hadn't expected to actually survive in that encounter, so why not go all out?
*SPOILERS* Terrified for the remaining Scions!
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08-09-2021, 05:27 AMDPZ2
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08-09-2021, 05:39 AMRosenstrauchTwice, actually. The first time was during the short story Edge of Night, wherein she died by throwing herself off of Icecrown Citadel. In response, a collection of nine Valkyr (undead valkyrie giantesses, basically) entered a pact with her that returned her to life in exchange for one of their own taking her place in Hell. Yes, that deal is every bit as ludicrous as it sounds, to the point where it being swept up in the big "Everything that happened in Warcraft was all part of an elaborate Jailer plot" retcon is one of the few things that made sense about that.Quote:
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The second time, of course, is when a Gilnean named Godfrey—whom she had raised to undeath to serve as a weapon against his home—shot her right in the face. It took three of her spare lives... sorry, Valkyr... to bring her back that time. You'd think she'd have learned something from the whole ordeal, like "mass raising my own enemies is a bad idea". But WoW storytelling is all about the rule of cool and there's few things cooler than a necromancer turning her worst enemies into obedient undead servants, I guess. So the part where they have no reason to be loyal to her never came up again.
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08-09-2021, 05:46 AMKizuyaKatogamiThose Inhabitants are the Ondo who are aquatic beings, able to breathe and swim underwater so yeah ofc they’d be able to have raiding parties lmao. Considering we had to use Bismarck both times to get down there i’d say it’s pretty far down. Combined with how far kholusia already is from the tower. Projection or not, it still clashes with the logic they gave us. I mean if we want to talk Emet-Selch, we can talk about how the entire time he literally could’ve just killed Graha and taken over his body, as we know when ascians do that they obtain the memories of the host. That’s a plot hole too but…the Graha thing is an even worse one.Quote:
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08-09-2021, 05:47 AMSpanishInkwehsitor
Hard to worry about characters that have plot armor thicker than the player’s.
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08-09-2021, 05:52 AMDPZ2Yeah. Let's just say that I was extremely unpleased about the method of Garrosh's death in particular.Quote:
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08-09-2021, 06:14 AMTheMightyMolluskWe didn't need Bismark for distance. We needed Bismark because most of the Scions can't breath underwater. The fact that they managed to swim back at the end of 5.0 implies that it's not that far.Quote:
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08-09-2021, 07:03 AMAllegorConsidering the Tempest's "sky" [the sea level] is rather high, I doubt it's right off the coast either, but still within swimmable distance so maybe within a mile or two (unless the zone was stated as a deep trench right off Kholusia)Quote:
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08-09-2021, 07:38 AMKizuyaKatogamiI don’t think them managing to swim back is much to go off of(which doesnt make much sense to me because i thought Bismarck drained all of the water) but, again this is the cast with major plot armor and plot convenience at their backs. We’re shown it’s essentially the ocean floor. They can’t scale that that well obviously due to gameplay limitations but it’s fairly obvious that’s what it is. Irregardless it still makes the feat clash with the plot points they gave us. We can try and rationalize or headcanon it all we want, fact of the matter is it’s never explained and it defies the very logic the writers themselves put out there. That and the emet situation are both plot holes in the end.Quote:
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08-09-2021, 08:41 AMTheMightyMolluskThen also consider that, when Bismark first dives into the sea with the Scions, he's in fairly close visual range to the shore. A couple of dockworkers in Kholusia are shown commenting on it (and nearly getting drenched by the waves kicked up by it).Quote:
Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami
He used his breath to push the water back, making an air bubble so the Scions can breath. It's fey whale magic, probably best not to think about it too hard.Quote:
(which doesnt make much sense to me because i thought Bismarck drained all of the water)
So how far out into the ocean does it have to be before it counts as the ocean floor?Quote:
but, again this is the cast with major plot armor and plot convenience at their backs. We’re shown it’s essentially the ocean floor. They can’t scale that that well obviously due to gameplay limitations but it’s fairly obvious that’s what it is.
I don't think I've headcanoned anything in this discussion. I'm just extrapolating from the evidence the game gives us. The writers never give out exact distances for anything, just like they never set a hard timeline for anything past ARR's launch.Quote:
Irregardless it still makes the feat clash with the plot points they gave us. We can try and rationalize or headcanon it all we want, fact of the matter is it’s never explained and it defies the very logic the writers themselves put out there. That and the emet situation are both plot holes in the end.
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08-09-2021, 08:52 AMVoidedge_Ragna
None was killed off for ages ... theres no real "danger" and while okay ... players love certain chars can we please stop with the plot armor.
Looking at
Yshtola which has been sucking on her own aether for 3 full expansions now, why even mention it if you never make anything with it.
Graha which was straight "resurrected" after sacrificing himself
Thancred which "faded out" after a fight with Ranjit
Rhyne which was pierced by hades
Gosetzu had a building drop on him, while being shot.
Estinien was controlled by Nidhogg
Those are just the first few that come to mind
SE pleeeaaaassseee the stars cant always align and everyone makes it out alive.
Haurchefant had a heros death and is well remembered
Lady Ice heart died and had an impact
Papalymo even
im sure i actually forgot some
and then? after 4.0 started? Immortality field activated unless your side char.
If 6.0 is to close a chapter i hope they remember that a story w/o threat is not as exciting as it can be and im not asking for a global wipe out.
But the truth is ... They already added most of the scions to other games so their not gonna do anything and its gonna be us defeating all things up to zenos and then zenos and all make it out.