[dev1033] Ideas for a Two-Tier Class System: Jobs on Top of Weapon Specializations

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

Well to be honest this idea also incorporates elements of kuro's idea but I feel this one is more original and indepth. Not to mention it allows more variety of play. When I get home from work I will try to find the diagram, if its not good I will make one. I think the best way to illustraate it will be by using a type of "branch" diagram.

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Yeah I think Carpe's system offers more flexibility and variety but I like the mechanics proposed by Kuro. Actually it could be a way to implement Carpe's system, i-e your have your job on top on your base class and you advance through this job via a talent tree or grid or whatever (or it could be like the merit system in XI, which was a kind of grid system but without the grid lol, I think the grid adds an interesting visual aspect and increases the sense of accomplishment)

For each job you could have several tiers of grids (tied to base class rank) and within each tier you could accumulate points to unlock say max 1/2 or 2/3 of the abilities/traits available (to maintain the customization aspect so a GLA/ Red mage is not exactly the same as another GLA/ Red Mage because they did not spend their points in the same slots).

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Originally Posted by northernsky

Yeah I think Carpe's system offers more flexibility and variety but I like the mechanics proposed by Kuro. Actually it could be a way to implement Carpe's system, i-e your have your job on top on your base class and you advance through this job via a talent tree or grid or whatever (or it could be like the merit system in XI, which was a kind of grid system but without the grid lol, I think the grid adds an interesting visual aspect and increases the sense of accomplishment)

For each job you could have several tiers of grids (tied to base class rank) and within each tier you could accumulate points to unlock say max 1/2 or 2/3 of the abilities/traits available (to maintain the customization).

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I 100% agree with you, and it is a really good idea. I really think a visual representation of the grid tier system is needed, makes the game more modern and you're right gives you a sense of accomplishment. The only problem I have is that when we all come to an agreement like this the thread doesn't get any new input and the thread stagnates XD.

The problem I have with Kuro's Idea is it seems to want to lock certain "Tree Paths" to certain weapons only. IE. Only Gladiator can be Paladin or Dark Knight. And Paladin and Dark Knight can not be Lancers, or Pugilists, or Archers, or Marauders.

Thanks for posting and keeping the thread healthy everyone! Sorry I haven't posted in a while, been really busy and *cough* addicted to gaming *cough*, but I was thinking of trying to go back and rewrite some of the OP trying to go into more detail and incorporate some of the implementation ideas that people have been talking about and to make it all easier to read.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Yeah, not too many people would go to this thread and read all of the OP's posts (heaven forbid its a damn forum).

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Yah I think the thread title sounds like a journal article/thesis paper, probably should have used something simpler. LOL

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

The problem I have with Kuro's Idea is it seems to want to lock certain "Tree Paths" to certain weapons only. IE. Only Gladiator can be Paladin or Dark Knight. And Paladin and Dark Knight can not be Lancers, or Pugilists, or Archers, or Marauders.

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I agree with this but just because a guy came up with something does not mean that the rules are definitive, there is plenty of room to expand.

Right now Carpe has a very good concept but the mechanics are not totally clear, and I think this is something that remains to be discussed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Carpe

Thanks for posting and keeping the thread healthy everyone! Sorry I haven't posted in a while, been really busy and *cough* addicted to gaming *cough*, but I was thinking of trying to go back and rewrite some of the OP trying to go into more detail and incorporate some of the implementation ideas that people have been talking about and to make it all easier to read.



Yah I think the thread title sounds like a journal article/thesis paper, probably should have used something simpler. LOL

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I think you should try to keep it as minimal as possible and it would be a good idea to add schematics if someone is willing to contribute (Cairdeas came up with something good but it may still be optimized in my opinion)

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Originally Posted by northernsky

I agree with this but just because a guy came up with something does not mean that the rules are fixed, there is plenty of room to expand.

Right now Carpe has a very good concept but the mechanics are not totally clear, and I think this is something that remains to be discussed in this thread.

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Do you mean that the mechanics aren't clear in the OP? Or does the overall idea have some missing mechanics? I thought it was very well thought out. Earlier someone brought up how stats and grouping might have to happen and I personally felt that was the only thing missing from the OP

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

The problem I have with Kuro's Idea is it seems to want to lock certain "Tree Paths" to certain weapons only. IE. Only Gladiator can be Paladin or Dark Knight. And Paladin and Dark Knight can not be Lancers, or Pugilists, or Archers, or Marauders.

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Right, I have to agree with you here, I'm going to go through his thread again but overall his is a sound idea but not at all original. And I feel if you did it that way you would hear so much antiWoW/proWoW nerd rage it would be unbearable

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

Right, I have to agree with you here, I'm going to go through his thread again but overall his is a sound idea but not at all original. And I feel if you did it that way you would hear so much antiWoW/proWoW nerd rage it would be unbearable

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The other idea is essentially Final Fantasy Tactics mixed with Final Fantasy XI, which is kinda stale in my opinion.

Titles are pretty fresh from my perspective. Trick is how would they go about adding new classes/titles in the future? Would they stick to adding just new classes or new specializations or both?

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

The other idea is essentially Final Fantasy Tactics mixed with Final Fantasy XI, which is kinda stale in my opinion.

Titles are pretty fresh from my perspective. Trick is how would they go about adding new classes/titles in the future? Would they stick to adding just new classes or new specializations or both?

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Definitely gonna be both, the template for 3 jobs that were data mined but weren't released are there, fencer, musketeer, and I believe it was called enforcer. Fencer dual wield maybe definitely could be used to unlock thief right?