Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed

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Originally Posted by Dsync

My only real issue of feeling inclined to do this again is that you have to restart the whole boring first phase. Maybe if that gets completed then that could be a restart point if a group fails. Not like that bit's even difficult. Otherwise I just can't bring myself to do it again, unless someone I know needs it.

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I'd say this is the best suggestion anyone could offer, rather than making it easier, just give players the ability to start from the second part of the fight once they've reached that far. This would allow them to learn that part without having to go through the issues of Party Drama from having to start over after failing when reaching said part. Would ease that Stress for the overall group while giving them the opportunity to focus on just that phase without having to repeat the phase before it.

I wonder how they are going to nerf it, if at all? I would appreciate a low percent reduction to overall damage (like 2 or 3%) and extend some of the AoE casts by a fraction of a second to a second. There, fight nerfed and integrity (mostly) kept.

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Originally Posted by Katryn

My bf, who is the one that's run primal ex's and savage, though, is like WTF?! :O He thinks this fight is stupid and an oversight by SE since there are people who only have so much time and having to get multiple groups in df before clearing is counter productive. He feels that if SE wants to make FC mandatory content and place it as part of the MSQ, that the whole MSQ should have that requirement (he feels this is unpuggable and needs a static).

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You don't need a static. Royal Manegerie isn't even that hard. You simply need people who aren't idiots. My first attempt we had a Warrior pull multiple times before the countdown and promptly die to Tidal Wave every single time despite being told repeatedly how to handle it. Friend of mine posted a macro of literally every ability throughout the fight and how to handle them. Nope. People still couldn't do it. That isn't the devs nor game's fault but people being not paying attention. They shouldn't be rewarded for not understanding the basics of how their job or how to not stand in the giant orange markers.

Objectively, to get up to Royal Managerie implies you have defeated Shiva, Titan, Leviathan, Garuda, Ifrit, and Thordan. Literally all of his mechanics come from those fights. There's realy no way players can mess this mechanics up, because they've *DONE THEM BEFORE*. Shinryu just mixes them up in a different order, but you've seen it all before. There's nothing really new.

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Originally Posted by Sereph6

I agree, but the number of people that join RM without completing their lvl70 job quest is awfully high and I don't get why. As soon as I hit 70 I literally rushed to complete the job quest.
New shiny skill? Sign me up
New awesome gear? Yay
New cool weapon? YAY
But no no, a lot of people (at least in my Data Center) ignore it and join regardless - a lot of them with lvl60 gear, too. Not surprised you wipe!

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The new skill wouldn't make much of a different if you're a scholar :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

Once again, the problem with Steps of Faith was not difficulty. It was the design...

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Yeah you had to actually talk to your party. This is why Steps went fubar half the time

"So who has cannons?!"
(No one speaks. someone starts a dance emote.)
"Who..wants DK?"
(No one speaks, a new dance emote and people sit waiting.)
"We need two people on cannons."
"Just go plz."
.....Fine.. /pull

One person runs to cannons, the others try to dmg deal the boss and forget about the adds, then someone says they'll do the DK but has no idea how to do it. Misses it twice. People facepalm in chats and everyone wonders why you can't get something done so you'd figure "Okay round 2, lets ask these questions again" and yet again people are silent, and maybe someone leaves. Then again you have a point, if it wasn't so long maybe there would be a tad more tolerance.

I don't think this applies so much to this instance as much.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Objectively, to get up to Royal Managerie implies you have defeated Shiva, Titan, Leviathan, Garuda, Ifrit, and Thordan. Literally all of his mechanics come from those fights...

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You'd think so, but I see people FLY off when Ice is put on the ground. Stacking in puddles for Thunder. People taking a bit of time and realizing what they're doing and they'll be fine.

I think gating the MSQ behind a hard (well, harder than average) trial is a good move, because now SE can be more creative and design more challenging level 70 content knowing that anyone who reaches it will need to have cleared the Royal Managerie at some point.

I'm eight hours in and I'm a rdm who has to verraise like, six - eight people a fight. I think I've died twice in my last forty attempts before the party wipe. It's getting out of hand, the second a tank or healer starts bickering the party falls apart.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

I think gating the MSQ behind a hard (well, harder than average) trial is a good move, because now SE can be more creative and design more challenging level 70 content knowing that anyone who reaches it will need to have cleared the Royal Managerie at some point.

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They already showed with Omegas faceroll difficulty that they intend to go backwards.

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Originally Posted by Phaerius

I'm eight hours in and I'm a rdm who has to verraise like, six - eight people a fight. I think I've died twice in my last forty attempts before the party wipe. It's getting out of hand, the second a tank or healer starts bickering the party falls apart.

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This was my experience as well with the two groups and dozen or so attempts I had this morning.

I'm following mechanics as best as I'm able, but I seem to be spending more time raising people than doing my actual job(DPS). Though I admit, having the ability to cast a 1.9 sec Jolt then insta-cast Verraise is nice.