BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

I think he's just saying that he wants an increase in DPS. Not SAM-tier levels of DPS.

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Originally Posted by Neela

I never said that I want smn on that lvl where did you get this expectation from? o.o

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Why are you comparing their dps with sams then??
Any links where SE talking about OPness of new jobs to hype them?

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Originally Posted by soslinky

I think he's just saying that he wants an increase in DPS. Not SAM-tier levels of DPS.

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No, he's saying that new jobs are intentionaly made OP by SE.

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Originally Posted by Osh1mA

Why are you comparing their dps with sams then??
No, he's saying that new jobs are intentionaly made OP by SE.

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Because you compared my dps to those in the first way lol? And yeah SHEs saying that both cls are just so strong with less to none punishment in messing up their rota - because they are new and should promote SB content. If you don't see that (what everybody else here see as well) you are just blind o.o

there is absolutely no reason to discuss that sam/rdm are stronger and easier to play than other dds - so whats your point?

New jobs are OP =/= only 5 SMNs were able to break past 4000 DPS so they should be buffed. Those are two different statements.

I strongly disagree with the notion of SAM/RDM being OP. They're fine. It's the other classes who are underpowered and should receive a buff of some sort.

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Originally Posted by soslinky

I strongly disagree with the notion of SAM/RDM being OP. They're fine. It's the other classes who are underpowered and should receive a buff of some sort.

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Sure. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Neela

And yeah SHEs saying that both cls are just so strong with less to none punishment in messing up their rota - because they are new and should promote SB content.

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So any links where SE said that?

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Originally Posted by soslinky

New jobs are OP =/= only 5 SMNs were able to break past 4000 DPS so they should be buffed. Those are two different statements.

I strongly disagree with the notion of SAM/RDM being OP. They're fine. It's the other classes who are underpowered and should receive a buff of some sort.

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uhm if sam/rdm are top tier and mnk, drg, mch, smn, blm, (nin), brd are way weaker... - its weird to say that 7 cls are underpowered instead of 2 are overpowered ^^' – but if you wanna argue about syntax just do so xD

SAM is working as designed, it has no utility so it compensates with top-tier DPS.

The other jobs aren't under-powered because SAM is top-dog. It's because their base kit is broken af. BLM's Heavensward rotation is doing more DPS than its 4.0 rotation. That's something nerfing SAM/RDM won't fix.

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Nerfing SAM/RDM will bring the DPS gap closer. But it wouldn't fix the core problem of job mechanics being broken.

Guys just ignore Neela, all they do is come in here and spew their conspiracy nonsense about overpowering RDM and SAM for hype purposes without proposing any actual fixes.

Fixes:
Nerf RDM and NIN
Buff MCH - BLM - DRG - SMN

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Fixes:
Nerf RDM and NIN
Buff MCH - BLM - DRG

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How about buff MCH - BLM(not sure they need a buff though...) - DRG and stop wanting classes you don't play nerfed because they perform better than your class... I never understood the mentality of "X does more damage than Y NERF IT!" instead of "why does X do more damage than Y, please buff Y to be more competitive with X"