[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by Narcotics

To be honest, yes. Not that I really care that much since the ilvl requirements in MMOs are typically easy to reach but I've never been a fan of them. If they got rid of ilvls I can't say I'd complain.

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If they got rid of ilvl reqs, there would be a lot more of these threads complaining about being kicked because they didnt meet dps requirements. ilvl is a way for the devs to attempt to guarantee a successful run of the duty within the time limit.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

No, my original post was about how the lala earned that penalty and why I think the simplest solution is to not use DF at all. Then you wanted to argue about why you think that I'm wrong for building perfection right off the bat.

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You really need to read more before you post if I'm being honest...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.

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Yeah that is definitely a recurring problem :/

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Honestly I could probably reliably keep a tank doing small pulls alive with an even weaker weapon. Surprisingly gear may affect raw numbers but player skill it does not. I mean yeah it probably easy to say "oh his gear was low" but chances are so was his skill level.

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Yeah I don't think anyone here who has experience playing this game decently often would deny that at all. Skill is a whole other can of worms though and not what the thread is about.

Player skill varies which is totally fine and the game cannot control it. The game can however control when players are allowed to queue for things and some gear situations (like ones I have pointed out) make it so the player cannot do their job in the content. If they can't do the job then why did the DF hire them so to speak?

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Originally Posted by Narcotics

If we wipe because of their gear, it'll be pretty obvious after the first or second wipe. Then we'll just replace them. Like really it's not that big a deal

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Okay so you wiped a couple times. Around 20 mins of time used up.

So you find the problem and initiate a voke kick.

The vote kick doesn't pass.

Now what do you do?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

ilvl is a way for the devs to attempt to guarantee a successful run of the duty within the time limit.

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And so is the requirement to actually be on a Disciple of War or Magic and the requirement to have a certain ratio of healers, tanks and DPS in the party and the requirement to have the right character level for the respective content.

We "could" get rid of all of those and just have people queue as a level one botanist for Dun Scaith. Less "babysitting", more groups that disband before the first pull.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

You really need to read more before you post if I'm being honest...

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So now you want to attack my reading because?

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

So now you want to attack my reading because?

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Because it's clear you don't quite understand what you are saying and what you are saying it in response to... It's not an attack it is advice.

An attack is your very first post if you want an example.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Because it's clear you don't quite understand what you are saying and what you are saying it in response to... It's not an attack it is advice.

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So, let me try to comprehend this. You're telling me, the person reading/writing, that I'm unaware as to what it is that I'm internalizing and responding to. Nah, can't make sense of that.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

So, let me try to comprehend this. You're telling me, the person reading/writing, that I'm unaware as to what it is that I'm internalizing and responding to. Nah, can't make sense of that.

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No you read the words and then afterwards place your own bias and assumptions on it then disregard the meaning of what is being said.

You just did it again.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

No you read the words and then afterwards place your own bias and assumptions on it then disregard the meaning of what is being said.

You just did it again.

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I asked for clarification and explained in what I thought was full detail as to how I saw the meaning behind your post. Though what I'm also seeing is a post limit and the day is far too young to continue without hitting the max.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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There would be red flags pointing to a potential bad run before you even look at the gear they're wearing. "Tanks HP is lower than a Level 50 tank. That's odd," would be your first thought if you looked at the party list. If you don't look at it, or have it hidden, then your only clue after that would be how fast the tank dies (or if someone else in the party notices and mentions it). If you still don't check their gear, then I don't know what to tell you (and if you defend the tank in crafting gear for 'playing how they want,' then you're being a part of the problem for enabling them).