3.2 Patch Notes

I wasn't attempting to apply them to you, I was trying to correct your bold statement about the healer. You mentioned how a healer asked you to stop playing ballad as if that was some crazy thing and they suck, when it quite possibly isn't the case. I thought providing you with multiple perspectives might help you realize that.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Half the time I never have Foe's up in a group with no mages because I'm there assuming the healer will primarily focus on their main job - which is healing. Just as I primarily focus on my main job, which is dpsing - until such a time as I need to use one of my support skills to assist someone (usually the healer) with regenerative abilities.

I'd be casting MP song so the healer has enough MP to actually heal the tank, rather than encouraging them to keep dpsing and ignoring the tank's heal by having Foe's up.

And once again, I can easily make up for the hit a Ballad takes on my damage by popping cooldowns when I have to drop into it. Most of the time I rarely have to keep Ballad up for more than a few seconds before the healer's good on MP and I can turn it off and return to doing my highest output.

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healer dps is actually very competitive, add FOE + BV (+20% dmg ) .....is not like u need to heal all the time , healing 4 mans is boring as hell , i despise dpsing on my healer i would prefer having things to heal and what not, thats why im playing healer in the 1 place....but oh well thats another issue ..u dont need to heal all the time ...and while jumping/dancing around the tank and dps while they fight a boss is fun for a while lol ....dpsing and killing the mobs faster and finishing the duty at hand sooner is important for all the 4(8) members.

if your healer isnt dpsing yeah dont waste your time on Foe , hell maybe try to talk to him/her....want to dps? i can put foe + BV for u if u want :) (for sure he/she will feel special oh u will sing just for me? :o ,and will say hell yeah! ) , and there u go all the 4 going town and kill the boss faster :D

edit : sorry if sounded "harsh" on my post not my intention at all ^^U /thumbs up /cheer

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I wasn't attempting to apply them to you, I was trying to correct your bold statement about the healer. You mentioned how a healer asked you to stop playing ballad as if that was some crazy thing and they suck, when it quite possibly isn't the case. I thought providing you with multiple perspectives might help you realize that.

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I understand, and I apologize if I came off as if I was denying your points - it was simply in those cases, I had reason enough to believe it was a case of the healer being crazy, rather than having their MP management under control. As I later stated in response to someone else, usually if a healer tells me they don't need Ballad anymore after I've had it up for few seconds for them, I usually turn it off out of the assumption they're at a point they can manage their healing properly and/or are able to use their own MP regeneration abilities to help them the rest of the way.

It also usually depends on the healer I'm with at the time - I mentioned that I usually don't... "babysit"? I guess is the word, scholars as much because I know from experience that scholar has the best MP management of all three healers. I usually can see when the healer is right in that I can turn off Ballad, and when it's a matter of them being very questionable with telling me not to sing. I'm sorry about any confusion that came up, as I was speaking primarily of a few cases I'd seen where I felt it wasn't justified to tell me to turn off Ballad, is all!

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

That DPS dummy only for people at lv60? Lol? Ist that a joke?

I was expecting its for lv15+ so newbies can actually practice! o.O

Why we get a DPS-Test at lv60?
The game starts being merciless at Brullvolx! If not enough DPS on final boss. There will be to many green puddle or healers MP will run out.

In that case I wont lower the amount of people that dont know how to use there skills >.>
..when entering a dungeon roulete; I will still get drg's not using that Atk to get 15% more dmg, and just doing the 3 hit combo for example =.=

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bad dps has never been a problem in that dungeon, only bad healers who dont use cleric stance and waste all their mp.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

im sorry but u are doing it wrong :/ , healer dps is actually very competitive, add FOE + BV (+20% dmg ) .....is not like u need to heal all the time , healing 4 mans is boring as hell ,

if your healer isnt dpsing yeah dont waste your time on Foe , hell maybe try to talk to him/her....want to dps? i can put foe + BV for u if u want :) (for sure he/she will feel special oh u will sing just for me? :o ,and will say hell yeah! ) , and there u go all the 4 going town and kill the boss faster :D

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There is absolutely no reason for a healer to prioritize dpsing over their primary job, which is healing. I am not the one playing my class wrong in the case of not putting up Foe's for an overzealous healer who's putting the party at risk by acting as if they're a crappy black mage - they are.

And I am also not going to badger a healer into dpsing if they are not doing so - most of the time it isn't necessary, and every healer has their own reasons for wanting to avoid dpsing or at least avoid dropping into CS. I'm not going to bug an obviously-not-interested healer into doing something that isn't part of their job description.

I'm starting to be happier to have switched to summoner as my alt's main class - people are becoming almost ridiculous when it comes to what a bard should and shouldn't do.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

There is absolutely no reason for a healer to prioritize dpsing over their primary job, which is healing. I am not the one playing my class wrong in the case of not putting up Foe's for an overzealous healer who's putting the party at risk by acting as if they're a crappy black mage - they are.

And I am also not going to badger a healer into dpsing if they are not doing so - most of the time it isn't necessary, and every healer has their own reasons for wanting to avoid dpsing or at least avoid dropping into CS. I'm not going to bug an obviously-not-interested healer into doing something that isn't part of their job description.

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yeah i see what u are saying ...i have been there too , i understand healers not wanting to dps (kinda agree somehow with the feeling) , and u cant force them to dps if they just refuse to do so....but asking doesnt hurt !

<foe requiem> + <battle voice> <you can have this!> , <cleric stance> <yes, please!> :3 , and more than half go dps mode ;), sometimes it works ^^

what i tried to say is that, if a healer goes out of mp because dpsing ...that isnt your fault , u arent there to be a mp battery for a overzealous healer that goes all out dpsing and forgets to heal...ballad wont save u in that scenario :P nothing will to be fair outside the party wiping and healer gasp...healing

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

There is absolutely no reason for a healer to prioritize dpsing over their primary job, which is healing. I am not the one playing my class wrong in the case of not putting up Foe's for an overzealous healer who's putting the party at risk by acting as if they're a crappy black mage - they are..

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It's the whole party/raid job to output the most party/raid wide dps as possible. While it's not needed especially for healers to dps in dungeons and other easy content, they are absolutely able dish out loads of damage particularly in trash pulls meaning things die faster and less healing is needed if done properly. I don't think anyone said for a healer to prioritize dpsing over healing. But healers are able to do both effectively with no problems. Again, if tp/mp is not needed than it's not needed clear as that.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

u cant force them to dps if they just refuse to do so....but asking doesnt hurt !

<foe requiem> + <battle voice> <you can have this!> , <cleric stance> <yes, please!> :3 , and more than half go dps mode ;), sometimes it works ^^

what i tried to say is that, if a healer goes out of mp because dpsing ...that isnt your fault , u arent there to be a mp battery for a overzealous healer that goes all out dpsing and forgets to heal...ballad wont save u in that scenario :P nothing will to be fair outside the party wiping and healer gasp...healing

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It isn't a fact of whether it's working or not - it's the fact that I am not going to ask something of a healer that they are by no means required to do. It'd be like someone coming to me on my summoner and demanding I heal and res people just so the healer doesn't have to - just because I still have access to those skills does not mean I should be asked or forced to use them. And it'd be the same as people demanding I play healer on a class that is not a healer - just as people keep wanting to demand healers play dps on a class that is not a dps. It's ridiculous and pointless in non-hardcore content, and I'm not going to be a part of it.

And I know it isn't my fault if a healer runs low on MP because they focus more on dpsing than healing - but I still do not like wiping, and I have been able to allow a healer to keep the tank alive after they ran dry on MP just by way of playing Ballad for a few seconds so they could throw out a heal. Usually if a healer keeps doing that sort of behavior, however, I just refuse to give them MP song. At that point they're just being counterproductive to everyone.

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Originally Posted by DGladius

It's the whole party/raid job to output the most party/raid wide dps as possible. While it's not needed especially for healers to dps in dungeons and other easy content, they are absolutely able dish out loads of damage particularly in trash pulls meaning things die faster and less healing is needed if done properly. I don't think anyone said for a healer to prioritize dpsing over healing. But healers are able to do both effectively with no problems. Again, if tp/mp is not needed than it's not needed clear as that.

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Please stop dictating what is and isn't everyone's job - the party's job is just to get through the dungeon. That's it. There is nothing more to it. How fast/slow they do so just depends on the people in the group and what they feel comfortable doing or are able to do.

uhm? smn's are the 1 asked to rez ppl (if healers are busy ) :/ , hell a smn's have saved my bacon more times that i can count when playing my healer :o (when i was starting to heal and stared at hp bars lol , aoe what aoe? hahahaha)

so u expect bards to use support skills all the time ,but u dont expect healers or smn to use their "support skills" (SMN rez, virus and eye for eye) , when healers dps while keeping ppl alive there are doing nothing wrong :/ , in fact it show that they are awesome players and can manage helping on dps while doing their main role :)

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Please stop dictating what is and isn't everyone's job - the party's job is just to get through the dungeon. That's it. There is nothing more to it. How fast/slow they do so just depends on the people in the group and what they feel comfortable doing or are able to do.

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It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.