Zodiac Weapons The Next Step. (Findings)

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Soldiery Tomes come faster right now than Myth did when Animus first came out. Furthermore, we need fewer tomes than Animus needed. This may be a time consuming portion of the quest, but an unlucky enough person will easily get most, if not all of the necessary tomes by just running dungeons.

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Are you sure about this? cause I did animus back when it was fresh. Myths came easy since all we have to do is spamming bray SR with only few hours. Animus books averagely took a day each for me, so that's 9 days.
And it's gotten so easy when hunts introduced, myths capped so fast with it that I can also leisurely buy crafting mats with it.

Now? It's been several days since 2.45 and I'm still around 2.1k away to buy 2 of those relic item quest. And I've run like more than 30 dungeons of those required by relics and daily roulettes too.

So... please enlight me as how you can gain soldiery so fast. If you're talking about coils then I'm out of luck on that part.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

Soldiery Tomes come faster right now than Myth did when Animus first came out. Furthermore, we need fewer tomes than Animus needed. This may be a time consuming portion of the quest, but an unlucky enough person will easily get most, if not all of the necessary tomes by just running dungeons.

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Using Animus books as reference with old myth (pre-boost) and soldiery now, it took an average of 3 hours for 1 book with myths, 3 hours and 20 mins with soldiery. That, if you farm nonstop for a book, run after run.

* 50 myth per Brayflox HM run (til second boss) which had an average of 6 mins per run for a total of 1500 myth per book = 1500 / 50 = 30 runs for 1 book ~~ 30 * 6 = 180 mins = 3 hours per book. 27 hours total for 9 books.
* 50 soldiery per full dungeon run (three new ones) which have an average of 20 mins per run for a total of 500 soldiery per book = 500 / 50 = 10 runs for 1 book ~~ 10 * 20 = 200 mins = 3 hours and 20 mins per book. 30 hours total for 9 books.

* Myth from trial roulette then: 40 daily for a total of 1500 per book = 2,6% of a book worth of myths daily.
* Soldiery from trial roulette now: 40 soldiery for a total of 500 per book = 8% of a book worth of soldieries daily.


Now we can't compare current soldiery gain with last stage of boosted myth pre-2.4 because they work like echo. They'll eventually buff soldiery to scale it to the way myth was boosted as it lost value with new item level equipment being released (Ramuh and Syrcus Tower). We could assume that soldiery rewards from dungeons and roulettes will be boosted in 2.5.
Also we can't compare current 1600 soldiery item needed for the quests with myth, because we don't know how many myths it would have cost.

Edit: corrected the values with books being 500 soldiery, not 400.

Poor Tomberry King just dies so so fast with no synced gear....feals like a normal mob

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Poor Tomberry King just dies so so fast with no synced gear....feals like a normal mob

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Do you WANT those sort of fights to drag when RNG is being a jerk?

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Originally Posted by Edeline

* 50 myth per Brayflox HM run (til second boss) which had an average of 6 mins per run for a total of 1500 myth per book = 1500 / 50 = 30 runs for 1 book ~~ 30 * 6 = 180 mins = 3 hours per book. 27 hours total for 9 books.
* 50 soldiery per full dungeon run (three new ones) which have an average of 20 mins per run for a total of 500 soldiery per book = 500 / 50 = 10 runs for 1 book ~~ 10 * 20 = 200 mins = 3 hours and 20 mins per book. 30 hours total for 9 books.

* Myth from trial roulette then: 40 daily for a total of 1500 per book = 2,6% of a book worth of myths daily.
* Soldiery from trial roulette now: 40 soldiery for a total of 500 per book = 8% of a book worth of soldieries daily.

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Well... you've just proven that the new soldiery gain are significantly slower than what myth does back in the day, without the "echo buff" version like the hunts. And the early part of current relic quest needing 3200 soldiery, that's almost 7 books of animus. Lucky if some already has more than 1600 soldiery when this quest made available. Unfortunately, I'm not since I'm still spending them to gear up other optional jobs that I need.

With the total of 6400 soldiery we would need to spend, which is equivalent of 13 animus book, it does made clear how slow current tome gains are. ^^;

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Well... you've just proven that the new soldiery gain are significantly slower than what myth does back in the day, without the "echo buff" version like the hunts. And the early part of current relic quest needing 3200 soldiery, that's almost 7 books of animus. Lucky if some already has more than 1600 soldiery when this quest made available. Unfortunately, I'm not since I'm still spending them to gear up other optional jobs that I need.

With the total of 6400 soldiery we would need to spend, which is equivalent of 13 animus book, it does made clear how slow current tome gains are. ^^;

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I do agree 8] I didn't post it to prove it against you. Now that I see it, I quoted the wrong post and I apologize D:

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Well... you've just proven that the new soldiery gain are significantly slower than what myth does back in the day, without the "echo buff" version like the hunts. And the early part of current relic quest needing 3200 soldiery, that's almost 7 books of animus. Lucky if some already has more than 1600 soldiery when this quest made available. Unfortunately, I'm not since I'm still spending them to gear up other optional jobs that I need.

With the total of 6400 soldiery we would need to spend, which is equivalent of 13 animus book, it does made clear how slow current tome gains are. ^^;

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It only seems slower if you're doing it very, very wrong.

Doing all roulettes in a day gives 230 Soldiery, 46% of a book. This doesn't include physical dungeon rewards. This is far higher percentage of a book than the Myth based roulettes gave back in the day.

A significant number of instances give away 100 Soldiery for having at least one person new inside. The first four turns of the First Coil of Bahamut are faceroll easy now. While Turn 5 is still a roadblock, anybody can pop in and do the first four. Carry someone through them and you have 440 Soldiery for 15-30 minutes of work. There's a high chance that any run through the Main Scenario roulette will have someone new: that's an additional 100 Soldiery.

People got their 6400 Soldiery in two days by using the fastest available methods while satisfying all of the other requirements of the quest. That can't be matched by the Myth gain during the advent of Animus.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

It only seems slower if you're doing it very, very wrong.

Doing all roulettes in a day gives 230 Soldiery, 46% of a book. This doesn't include physical dungeon rewards. This is far higher percentage of a book than the Myth based roulettes gave back in the day.

A significant number of instances give away 100 Soldiery for having at least one person new inside. The first four turns of the First Coil of Bahamut are faceroll easy now. While Turn 5 is still a roadblock, anybody can pop in and do the first four. Carry someone through them and you have 440 Soldiery for 15-30 minutes of work. There's a high chance that any run through the Main Scenario roulette will have someone new: that's an additional 100 Soldiery.

People got their 6400 Soldiery in two days by using the fastest available methods while satisfying all of the other requirements of the quest. That can't be matched by the Myth gain during the advent of Animus.

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That might be the case in your server. Mind you that I'm in one of most packed server, and a legacy one to boot, which means chances of having someone new for that new bonus are quite slim. I bet there's alot of those you can pick from non legacy like yours.

And 6400 soldiery in 2 days? don't think a normal person can do that, normal as in having their RL stuff over this. If I don't sleep and ignore RL, then yes, I probably could do that. :p

Give something that's viable for normal human being could do in a day. There's already ppl that can do nexus in 2 days, though I bet they ignore RL stuff. :p

As in case of animus book alone, you should make comparison on bray HM only, both myths and soldiiery version. And yes, I never forgot doing my daily roulettes.

And I think you need re-define "very wrong" of yours. My guesses are that you're still too young to understand that.

I'm 1/4 on Darkhold, 1/1 on Bray HM, and 0/1 on Halatali HM. Just barely realized that you can unlock all the quests at once (thought you had to do them in order...) So that's good to know. Also, you can't unlock A Treasured Mother if you have Morbid Motivation active even if you've previously completed the quest. Just thought I'd share.

To Bobbin, i am in the same server, yet i finished my relic yesterday. Just go do 15-20 minute crystal tower. 100 soldiery each. I farmed up all 4k+ from it from friday evening to Saturday whole day farm. And about comment on those that no life and finish fast. for nexus or this. For your info some of us do have work and we come home playing 3 to 4 hours on weekday and more on weekend. And we finish both nexus and now this in the week.

Instead of whining about it, just go farm and do it, you will finish. Most of my friends that i know has already 10+ of dungeon drop item and left few sol to go. I farmed 3 hours a day on weekdays, with 0 drop on tuesday but rest of days gave me luck. Got all 16 on friday, and farm whole day CT on saturday for remaining 3200 points needed. here vid link of completion and with party chat all jp cause just came out CT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYgcY83d4w

P/S: skip it if don't wish see the last part of the quest.