FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

But in the end, that's Balmung's fault literally, the Server is exploding and yet People flood in like there is no tomorrow.

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How is Balmung exploding? Things seem relatively fine when I log in. No fires or anything.

That said, I do support banning bots. Maybe SE just needs to add one of those Captcha measures to character creation. Annoying for anyone making a new character, but the game isn't exactly alt friendly, so that seems like one of the least player-impacting Anti-Bot measures that could be taken. Not that it'd help too much, but still.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

How is Balmung exploding? Things seem relatively fine when I log in. No fires or anything.

That said, I do support banning bots. Maybe SE just needs to add one of those Captcha measures to character creation. Annoying for anyone making a new character, but the game isn't exactly alt friendly, so that seems like one of the least player-impacting Anti-Bot measures that could be taken. Not that it'd help too much, but still.

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Exploding not in terms of trouble Queue while Logging in, tho due of the amount of Players that login/logoff Daily, which is extremely huge, if not even bigger than Gilgamesh.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

Exploding not in terms of trouble Queue while Logging in, tho due of the amount of Players that login/logoff Daily, which is extremely huge, if not even bigger than Gilgamesh.

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Ah, right. That's one of those circles though.

Join the game. Want to play with your friends. They're on Balmung. Move to Balmung.
Get friends to join the game. They want to play with you. They come to Balmung.
Their friends join the game, and want to play with them, so they come to Balmung.

Didn't read the whole topic yet but just wanted to point out about the radar app.

Yes it may only work as far as you can see yourself without the app however it also sends you alerts to anyone else using it.

So if your in the shroud somewhere and someone else with the radar finds a hunt in another zone, you will still get a notification about that hunt.

So for those who say it doesn't give an advantage its straight up bs.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

We have (a) bot(s) in full Ironworks on Ultros. So any and all end game mats have been flooded - aethersands and folklore node mats. The one area not covered is anything to do with fishing. Full stacks of aethersands for cheap and folklore mats that have been pushed down to a couple hundred gil.

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That's pretty incredible if they're doing Folklore mats. It's what I sell pimarily and we have a small population at the moment doing that although the market can be pretty competitive.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

Speaking about Balmung, Players putting in there over 200-300 Stacks of Seaborne Aethersand, ya, it doesn't surprise me if Non Gatherers/Crafters find this great or amazing. <-- {Irony}
As for the Shards/Crystals and Clusters... I'm not surprised if Water Clusters are about 100-300 Gil a pop while they're mostly on most Servers for around 800 - 1.200 Gil a pop.

But in the end, that's Balmung's fault literally, the Server is exploding and yet People flood in like there is no tomorrow.

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What's the problem? Cheaper things on the market board = better.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

What's the problem? Cheaper things on the market board = better.

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Because you simply don't get it that it's actually hurting.
Like I said, just because you do not Gather or Crafter, doesn't mean it does not hurt others at all.

If you can buy stacks of Ores being cheap, so can do others that results into bazillions of Crafts making them even less valued.
I honestly don't Gather Stuff that are being farmed by some Bots, as it is pointless mainly because they drive the Prices even more down.

Materials / Gathered Stuff becomes pointless to an Point where one questions themself if Gathering has even a Reason afterall if Stuff becomes literally almost Vendor Trash.

So hard to understand? Given the Fact, if the Economy of Balmung would apply on my Server I'd better not Gather/Craft at all as it is totally pointless...

Nevermind, I leave this, I think you don't know that we are talking about Gathering Bots and not about People that do not have Gathering/Crafting Classes leveled.
Get it, your Argumentations are useless as they do not contribute to the Thread.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

Because you simply don't get it that it's actually hurting.
Like I said, just because you do not Gather or Crafter, doesn't mean it does not hurt others at all.

If you can buy stacks of Ores being cheap, so can do others that results into bazillions of Crafts making them even less valued.

So hard to understand?

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So what if crafted items are cheap? It's a good thing for us DoW/M.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

So what if crafted items are cheap? It's a good thing for us DoW/M.

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You still don't get it. I qoute... :

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I think you don't know that we are talking about Gathering Bots and not about People that do not have Gathering/Crafting Classes leveled.

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Pointless to discuss this with you. I just leave it at that and you can support the Bots by buying their Items as it seems.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

So what if crafted items are cheap? It's a good thing for us DoW/M.

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Indeed, and the market will fluctuate too. If there is over supply in a particular line of goods, prices drop (basic supply/demand stuff). Then many crafters will move to more profitable things, reducing the supply. If the demand remains steady and supply drops then prices will rise. It always bothers me when people want to somehow 'fix' the market board because they think things are too cheap.

If all bots were permanently removed from the game tomorrow (I can wish can't I?), prices of the commodity goods that the bots gathered/crafted would begin to rise as the oversupply of these things ended. Then it would become more profitable for gatherers to actually gather again, and more players would therefore do that, and more supply would allow the prices to settle down a bit. The same is true of crafters working the kinds of craft items that Bots currently flood the market with. Eventually the game would reach a new equilibrium for both crafting and gathering, and prices would stabilize. They might be higher for somethings and lower for others, but at the end of the day, it would benefit players more since there would be more player/player economic action without the artificial market deflation caused by bots.