End game... Bored. The facts.

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Originally Posted by traja

What did Rift have at launch? I can't remember but I think it might have had more. But still overall you are right, none of them ever launch with a solid end game. The only semi exceptions to this are WoW expansions which launch with a whole new continent and a lot of end game dungeon and raid content. But still an expansion is an expansion so the comparison isn't fair, well, it is a little bit fair because this is a relaunch.

But be it reasonable or fair, doesn't matter. The reality is that all of the theme park MMOs that launched without an end game are now F2P. People get bored despite of excuses.

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At launch, it had GSB and a few expert dungeons. RoS was out quickly though, and a good 9 months or so from RoS release to HK. There is a reason that game has failed too(devs took the endgame PvE content in the casual direction) Some of the most buggy raids I've ever seen. The game turned into an exact carbon copy of WoW and that's why it failed.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

As far as I'm aware, usable cross class skills pretty much end at level 34.

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Mantra would like to say hi.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

So basically, 2.2 which could be 7-8 months minimum is bringing any new progression content. 50 content should have been the biggest focus redesigning a 2nd iteration of the game.

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Major patches are slated to be released appx every 3 months with hotfixes when they are ready in between.

Dev post about patches

If the speed of patches and quality of the current game does not meet your standards, you may want to wait for "3.0" then call that launch.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

So basically, 2.2 which could be 7-8 months minimum is bringing any new progression content. 50 content should have been the biggest focus redesigning a 2nd iteration of the game.

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To the ones you say isn't end-game: To You, it isn't end game. To me personally they are, All of which I said revolve around level 50 players ( max level). Too easy? For you it is maybe, but for a lot of people I see having issues on some of the end-game content. ( it's maybe be hard for them).


Coil turn 5 still hasn't been beaten yet (Legitimately *Beating it from a bug doesn't count as a world's first*) , and don't say gear is the issue because it's not. A lot of people, are actually have legitimate issues with turn 5, it's just flat out hard. You think Crystal Tower gear is going to make Coil Uber easy? For the Elite, yes I wouldn't put it past them, but again for the "Majority" Coil Turn 5 is still going to be a hassle.

1) Crystal Tower that's before Coil, for a person that plays casually ( which is a lot of people these days), won't have all the uber gear that maybe 5% of the population has. So Crystal Tower for the Majority will "Probably" be just as bad as Coil, for them.

2) Primals are end-game, like in the same matter AK are spammed for tombs, Primals are spammed for Tokens for Weapons/Relic ( That's in 2.0, 2.1 will probably drop more stuff like armor) Another mode of Difficulty.

Housing it ranges from person to person if this is considered End-game. Maybe not for hardcores, but for the avg. person, they won't have a large sum of money that a select few have. I feel like it is, it just doesn't have "Battle content" End-game for Crafters to build a house and other stuff? Yeah I think so! ( Don't leave the crafters in the dust!).

Relic Reborn IS End-game since it is a weapon that you get AFTER the main story and it is a long process to get just 1.


TL"DR: Just because Certain end-game to you is easy, doesn't mean it's easy for others. It certainly doesn't mean that if it's easy it's not end-game.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Major patches are slated to be released appx every 3 months with hotfixes when they are ready in between.

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Sorry meant 5-6 months =p Either way, this is a very long time.

I'm looking forward to housing just as much as I am Crystal Tower and PvP!

Between Coil and more relic get and tomestones and gathering I really... don't have much time to be bored right now. When I am bored, I'm usually just done for the day anyway and I can go relax in the pool or chill with some new ones in the Adv Guild or emote at folks in Rev. Toll which is by far my favorite camp. :)

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Originally Posted by Casper

And what the hell is the meaning of life, FFS ?

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42 of course !!!

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Sorry meant 5-6 months =p Either way, this is a very long time.

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I know this is the "I want it NOW" generation but SE was in a unique situation remaking this game. 1.0 was a flop but some people still played. they were remaking the game in tandem of patching the failed version they KNEW they were going to scrap. Then they finally came to the point where they had to shut it down while they focused on the final production of the new one (ARR). Had they shut the game down for too long, they would have lost that 1.0 crowd entirely and it would have faded into obscurity. They felt they had enough in the game to be able to release it for play while they continued working towards Yoshi-P's vision for the game. Yoshi-P has said in previous Letters that it will probably take at least a year after relaunch to get the game in the state he wants it.

Making a game like this takes at least 5-8 years normally. This team has gotten here in 2 with divided focus. I would like to see the complainers do better.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Coil turn 5 still hasn't been beaten yet, and don't say gear is the issue because it's not. A lot of people, are actually have legitimate issues with turn 5, it's just flat out hard. You think Crystal Tower gear is going to make Coil Uber easy? For the Elite, yes I wouldn't put it past them, but again for the "Majority" Coil Turn 5 is still going to be a hassle.


Relic Reborn IS End-game since it is a weapon that you get AFTER the main story and it is a long process to get just 1.

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Twintania hasn't been killed yet because she is bugged(hence why she is offline right now). Twintania down to 50% is all gear, having enough health to soak the Fireballs and dps to kill the conflags. Walking in with full CT gear/AF2/Myth gear will trivialize Coil and yes even Turn 5.

game not even out 2 months, person complains about being bored at endgame...... yeah sorry can not do anything bu laugh, and blame you for rushing to the end.