Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

We'll have to agree to disagree on that then, I don't feel he tried to make himself front and centre at all, he felt organically placed and fit the tasks he was given and the interactions he made/were made to him, in fact I actually wanted more of him if the story allowed as I'm still curious to see just what kind of man he is now, just what the blending's done to him, but as he's arrived right as the plot is gearing up for Endwalker there's littler time. Oh well, perhaps in 6.1, we'll get that solo adventure we promised him.

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Hopefully he’s gone long before 6.1 so we don’t gotta be put through that agony :p

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

What serious moments has he derailed exactly?

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From the start of 5.4 with us trying to talk to Lyse and him interrupting with his fanboying and reactions to alphinaud complimenting him to 5.5 where there’s a literal apocalypse happening and he’s getting sparkly eyes from staring at estinien. Just to name a few.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

No short-term memory, huh?

And I say again, that's fine. I'm not trying to pick any fights here. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike. But please try to be honest with yourself and others about why. I know I certainly haven't always been the most introspective person, but I've found it's never to late to learn.

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That seems to me like he’s just pointing out one of the reasons for his dislike of the character, but not the overarching problem he has with him. It’s prevalent seeing the past posts of people here that their issue isn’t even close as to how he looks but how he acts and is a character story/lore-wise.

And then Lore became Twitter. I'm sorry, Moose, Vyrerus. Your magitek discussion was much more interesting.

Yes, please. With a big label: "Fenral do not interact." I'm making things worse and I feel bad about it.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

And then Lore became Twitter.

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It's been that way for a while, really.

The entire situation would be resolved rather easily if everybody here just took the stance of it all being a matter of perspective/personal preference.

I don't particularly care who likes which character. I'm only posting here to discuss the lore as it exists, come up with theories for what may or may not happen in the future and indulge in a little appreciation for the characters that I like.

I imagine it's the same for many others, really.

As someone who neither likes nor dislikes G'raha, I'd have to say the main reason people dislike him is because they don't (or can't) appreciate his boyish charm. He's kind, earnest, and helpful, and... not everyone likes that in a character.

Plus he's been getting a lot of screentime as of late in order to establish him as a core member of the cast after spending all of Shadowbringers' MSQ as the deuteragonist, and having a character you don't like on screen is going to grate on peoples' nerves.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

As someone who neither likes nor dislikes G'raha, I'd have to say the main reason people dislike him is because they don't (or can't) appreciate his boyish charm. He's kind, earnest, and helpful, and... not everyone likes that in a character.

Plus he's been getting a lot of screentime as of late in order to establish him as a core member of the cast after spending all of Shadowbringers' MSQ as the deuteragonist, and having a character you don't like on screen is going to grate on peoples' nerves.

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I imagine this plays a large role in it, while we've seen a lot of him, this isn't the same person, he is nether the boy you helped open the tower with, nor the Exarch you saved the first with, he's trying to find himself and that needs to be shown, I imagine he and Estinien will be getting a large bulk of the free screen time skewed towards our newest Dragoon as we move into Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

I'd have to say the main reason people dislike him is because they don't (or can't) appreciate his boyish charm. He's kind, earnest, and helpful, and... not everyone likes that in a character.

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I worded (admittedly) it badly, but this is what I meant by "proper masculine stereotypes." He's... not properly masculine. It's not an appearance thing so much as he doesn't behave the way a grown man "should," and doesn't have "youth" as an excuse like Alphinaud. He's a character type that is very often killed in more cynical works to show the (presumed) consequences of deviating from the masculine ideal, hence my apprehension since 5.0, since FFXIV used to aspire to that kind of cynicism.

I'm not trying to single anyone out, these are common cultural biases. TV Tropes is bad for you, man.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I imagine this plays a large role in it, while we've seen a lot of him, this isn't the same person, he is nether the boy you helped open the tower with, nor the Exarch you saved the first with, he's trying to find himself and that needs to be shown, I imagine he and Estinien will be getting a large bulk of the free screen time skewed towards our newest Dragoon as we move into Endwalker.

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This may also be a way of correcting previous deaths in the story. Moenbryda? Wasn't shown enough. Haurchefant? Shown enough in events but not enough in story. Ysayle? Wasn't shown enough (though I enjoyed all the screen time she DID get). Papalymo? Wasn't shown enough. All previous deaths were of characters that didn't show up nowhere near enough in the story. If G'raha were to die at the end of 6.0, I daresay it'd be taken a lot better considering how much screen time he got before his death.