To all the flames on primal datacenter...

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Originally Posted by Morgan

I spend 2h in flames que on Chaos datacenter. Mael usually takes 30mins, never tried adders tho.
Flames always start winning once I go back to mael and vise versa, feels like Im bringing doom to my current GC *sadface*

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Thats... so sad... lol. I know the feeling though.There are streaks that make me feel the same way. Thing is, I've always been with Flames (too lazy to re-rank), so I know that it's a cycle. There's a lot of factors that contribute to it, but no matter how bad of a streak I'm on, I know with certainty that there is not a single GC that is somehow "better" than the others, and even if there was it would be impossible to tell which is "best." As long as 3 way fights are in play and SE does not post the overall win/loss ratio of each GC, there is no way to accurately measure one GC against another. We all win, we all lose, and we all go on good/bad streaks or get ganked by other teams. It's just the way it is.

What we can, possibly, see, is repeating tendencies, but even those are situation based and impossible to accurately qualify as facts.

Also, I'm kind of surprised your Que time is so long with Flames... Since the game mode takes players from multiple worlds, I would have expected the que average to have been similar regardless of which world you're from... unless certain worlds que together more frequently than others?? SE should post some information about how the que process really works...

You can be on point with calls, nodes, and rng on you side, but when you have so many bad players you just can't, Adders( Primal ) is now hub for tome baddies and just plain awful players that enjoy pvp. I recognize so many Adder players here posting that are just plain awful, SMNs doing 80k, WHMs doing 200k etc... at least we get fast queues right?

Reen is right here. How can people posting on this forum thread actually call others bad? When they alone are the problem for adders. It makes me laugh that these players are calling others bad. in my opinion, no class should be doing under 100k a match. EVER

As a Flame on Primal, I can also confirm that we have no running alliance with Mael against the Adders. We'd just as much want to see them drown in the sea as we want you to burn in your forest.

What I HAVE been noticing, however, is that lately people, when given the opportunity, will tunnel vision the Adders so hard that it makes winning impossible. Many of the last few games I've played have resulted in people simply rushing the Twin Adders when the Maelstrom has three nodes and tap-dances its way to victory. For some reason, there is this underlying, bitter hatred running in the minds of a lot of Flames whenever I run now and all they want to do is make the Adders suffer, regardless of whether they're in first, second, or third. It doesn't seem to matter; people just want to make you guys writhe in pain rather than actually focus the Maelstrom to win.

I might attribute it to the fact that the Adders seem to do the same a lot of the time; and when we have one node and Mael has two, you'll come running after us anyway, for god knows what reason. Alongside that, you guys seem to like pincering us when it won't even achieve you first place, but rather simply knock us further back into second or third.

I would also attribute it to the fact that the Adders have always generally been more of a pain to us over the past year than the Maelstrom has been; I've been playing since 72 man secure and I remember the WEEKS during slaughter on primal where the Adders would simply wipe the floor with whoever got in their way, regardless of whether it was the Flames or the Maelstrom. Perhaps a lot of old PvPers are still bitter over that?
Maybe the same hatred is running through the Adders' minds? Who knows.

Oh, and I can confirm that the Immortal Flames are not the weakest GC on Primal, and after running ~1200 matches, my win, 2nd, and loss rates are now all about even. All three GCs, as others have previously stated, are about equal. The main difference is that the Flames will go through long periods of just plain out sucking, and then get good for a few weeks before sucking all over again. I wouldn't necessarily make the claim that any one GC is above the other, they just all go through their periods of being good and then being bad.

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Originally Posted by Jettfire

in my opinion, no class should be doing under 100k a match. EVER

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Lol. I guess you are the only dps that's ever frontline that's NEVER had a bad game. Otherwise you wouldn't spout such nonsense.

Are you serious right now? How can every match 90% of the dps have a "bad match"? I can go and fuck around at another gc spawn point on a ninja, not really fight anybody, and still do more than a lot of the dps, it's terrible. It's not nonsense, it's true

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Originally Posted by reefer69

scanning this thread anyone who can say flames is better than adders is day dreaming... flames was and is still about the worst gc i have ever encountered in pvp since frontlines.but in all honesty it depends on your luck of alliance and team work. first time i tired mael i went 22 outta 80+ matches which was worse than when i played with adders, yet i saw ppl in my ls on mael with over 40 plus wins when rankings came out.
i tried again and hit 22 wins out of 89 with mael... and i realiswed all gc have bad players and anyone can have a bad luck week of pvp lol..

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I've been in all 3 GCs for 250+ matches (Maelstrom for nearly 400, it's the one I got ADS achievement with). Badders are the worst on primal, it's not anecdotal, it's factual. It's not even close. And I've run with them at all hour of the day to account for windows where one GC might be "good" for that window then suck the rest of the day.

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Originally Posted by Jettfire

Are you serious right now? How can every match 90% of the dps have a "bad match"? I can go and fuck around at another gc spawn point on a ninja, not really fight anybody, and still do more than a lot of the dps, it's terrible. It's not nonsense, it's true

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Lol making up statistics doesnt make your argument any more valid no. This isnt PVE. Events arent scripted. There is no magic dps number which if you achieve means you are a great pvp player. Its as dumb as those whm's who think just cause they reach 400k+ cures by spamming regen and medica 2 all match that they are god's gift to their GC.

hi korra only because i like u ill keep it nice and clean... flames on primal is trash over all to me...and i have 1949 games played atm to compare my own personal stats and reviews and play styles withinin all 3 gcs.. there are very few matches flames ever win. and only time i've ever been impressed is when the premade come around..

When I lose a couple of games, it ends up being Adder winning lately. I enjoy seeing Korra rage when I mention this to him. Korra, at least you don't get kicked out of Frontline because you were in the wrong area.