The completely REASONABLE changes to the Dark Knight job thread

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

Man, I dunno about you guys, but I am having absolutely ZERO trouble playing this job, clearing content with it, or contributing to groups. Feels great. :D

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the problem though isn't really whether or not it can actually do the content though. its the fact that its kit isn't very synergistic and sometimes redundant, and its utility is pretty much non-existent if a MNK is present. its not about whether or not the class is viable, but is it valuable to a raid group. most of the new classes are viable, but valuable is a whole other thing entirely. I dont think its in the same shape as AST, but things like Shadow wall could use a timer decrease. at least attach some small gimmick to it like HP/MP recovery or an attack buff to justify such a longer timer than even Vengeance.

I'd be happy if they'd turn Dark dance into an IB/Sheltron equivalent as well. at least then it would feel more useful and make putting up Reprisal more predictable. id rather not rely on rng to MAYBE put up Reprisal when i need it.

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Originally Posted by Cidolfas86

the problem though isn't really whether or not it can actually do the content though. its the fact that its kit isn't very synergistic and sometimes redundant, and its utility is pretty much non-existent if a MNK is present. its not about whether or not the class is viable, but is it valuable to a raid group. most of the new classes are viable, but valuable is a whole other thing entirely. I dont think its in the same shape as AST, but things like Shadow wall could use a timer decrease. at least attach some small gimmick to it like HP/MP recovery or an attack buff to justify such a longer timer than even Vengeance.

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Ya know how all the "dark's op/dark's great stop whining" people said we should wait till raid is out. Well, it's out.
We cool in A1S, cause magic. And double int down with mnk+drk. And after that......we gimped yo.

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Originally Posted by Violette

And double int down with mnk+drk. And after that......we gimped yo.

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That's just int down. Dragon Kick and Delirium don't stack. In fact Dragon Kick has higher priority, thus overwrites Delirium, seeing as it also reduced the targets blunt resistance for the monk.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

That's just int down. Dragon Kick and Reprisal don't stack. In fact Dragon Kick has higher priority, thus overwrites Reprisal, seeing as it also reduced the targets blunt resistance for the monk.

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I hope you mean Delirium. Reprisal is 10% damage down, not INT down, so it does stack with Dragon Kick.

Also Elysium world first A3S using DRK. Please tell me again why this job isn't viable?

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

I hope you mean Delirium. Reprisal is 10% damage down, not INT down, so it does stack with Dragon Kick.

Also Elysium world first A3S using DRK. Please tell me again why this job isn't viable?

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Edited, not sure why I was calling it Reprisal.

They took Drk because it has higher MT damage than Pld. They needed the extra damage.

Drk is viable, it's just not valuable. You lose out on more than you gain by taking it. Don't be one of those "But they did this with it, so it HAS to be good!" people. Swap the Drk out with a Pld, make the War MT, and boom you got the same damage setup AND more utility/synergy between the two tanks (And a better physical tank) than you'd get with a Drk in the group. Hell just take 2 Warriors even.

The main changes I'd like to see (after floating around a ton of DRK change threads) would be Grit allowing a DRK to parry Magic, Delirium adding a MDef down 10% debuff as opposed to the Half a Dragon Kick we have now. I'd also like something to be done about Reprisal's cool down, like give it a chance to reset on parry (essentially get rid of the low blow trait and make it work for Reprisal) or just shorten the cool down. Anything for more up time.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

They took Drk because it has higher MT damage than Pld. They needed the extra damage.

Drk is viable, it's just not valuable.

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I don't understand. How is extra MT damage not valuable? If anything, given the strict DPS checks in Alexander Savage, DRK becomes MORE valuable. You cannot expect DRK to have equal mitigation to PLD when it can do more dps as MT.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

I don't understand. How is extra MT damage not valuable? If anything, given the strict DPS checks in Alexander Savage, DRK becomes MORE valuable. You cannot expect DRK to have equal mitigation to PLD when it can do more dps as MT.

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I already explained this.

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

I don't understand. How is extra MT damage not valuable? If anything, given the strict DPS checks in Alexander Savage, DRK becomes MORE valuable. You cannot expect DRK to have equal mitigation to PLD when it can do more dps as MT.

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warrior outdoes our damage in a MT role, and gives a slashing debuff, boosting OT damage.