Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

It ain't that deep, move on from it. Come on already.

Let's talk about bunny boys.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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That's not true, and I don't know why you're feigning ignorance. However, it's demonstrably true that your camp has been quick to stamp out people for posting slim characters, and shutting down anyone who's artwork doesn't align to your preferences. In this case, you're giving this poster a really difficult time, and trying to excuse it by saying you're only "debating" or "critiquing" their work, but we all know you're just biased in favor of buff viera, and will act dismissive towards anything else.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

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We probably should move on.
I just want to add one last thing.

When it comes to someone's artwork, as in they drew it themselves, people should lay off on the criticism or debate. They posted their work in a show of support, and their creativity should not be dismissed in such a way. If you don't like it, I suggest not commenting?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Feigning ignorance? Could you elaborate?

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I guess I should have just said you and a handful of other posters.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

What prompted you to bring up the artwork when the bulk of discussion was surrounding the screenshots of a female viera being made to look as male as possible?

I also believe that anything posted here is free to be commented on so long as the commentary falls within the confines of the terms of service.

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I mean, their art was literally traced off their screenshot, like they said. I admit I haven't been reading everything, but the main issue was they were using a female model to rp as male viera?
You know, I'd really love to see you go into a "Show Your Miqo'te!" thread or something and try to critique the screenshots in there. It wouldn't be appropriate there, because that's not what the thread was made for. Likewise, this thread wasn't made to critique anyone's artwork or creative ideas. It's first and foremost a support thread. If you really want to comment on someone's creative work though, at least have some tact.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Backtracking, eh?

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Uuuh that was definitely not backtracking, but ok.

STOP PUTTING PEOPLE INTO GROUPS
It's getting tiresome, this group did this, that group did that. Just knock it off! Stop painting people in the same blooming brush all the time. This is why we have people thinking those who want male Viera are just degenerates who want them for sordid reasons, .

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Originally Posted by Senn

That's not true, and I don't know why you're feigning ignorance. However, it's demonstrably true that your camp has been quick to stamp out people for posting slim characters, and shutting down anyone who's artwork doesn't align to your preferences. In this case, you're giving this poster a really difficult time, and trying to excuse it by saying you're only "debating" or "critiquing" their work, but we all know you're just biased in favor of buff viera, and will act dismissive towards anything else.

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Feigning ignorance? Could you elaborate? I'm also confused by the term 'camp' - you seem to be inferring that everybody asking for male viera to be tall and beefy is some sort of hive-mind operating in tandem with each other but that simply is not the case.

It's not as if the beefy bunny crowd are in complete agreement with one another either.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I just want to add one last thing.

When it comes to someone's artwork, as in they drew it themselves, people should lay off on the criticism or debate. They posted their work in a show of support, and their creativity should not be dismissed in such a way. If you don't like it, I suggest not commenting?

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What prompted you to bring up the artwork when the bulk of discussion was surrounding the screenshots of a female viera being made to look as male as possible?

I also believe that anything posted here is free to be commented on so long as the commentary falls within the confines of the terms of service.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I guess I should have just said you and a handful of other posters.

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Backtracking, eh? Well, I strongly disagree - I don't believe I have been unfair in the slightest during my contributions to this thread. The only thing I have tried to stamp out completely has been the requests for male viera to be designed to be child-like as well as any attempts to push them as close as possible to that imagery without crossing the line completely. I think it should be obvious why that is the case, however, in light of Yoshi-P's official statement on the matter.

Not that it matters, since we already know that if male viera are added they are going to be designed to be tall and fairly beefy like Urianger. Yoshi-P has described them as 'elezen like' after all, so the imagery is a great fit.

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Originally Posted by Senn

When it comes to someone's artwork, as in they drew it themselves, people should lay off on the criticism or debate. They posted their work in a show of support, and their creativity should not be dismissed in such a way. If you don't like it, I suggest not commenting?

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I do wanna clarify that, again, it was a trace-over, so I really can't claim it was entirely my work and I wasn't at all fishing for praise in posting it. I do appreciate the compliment, though.

People are free to critique my drawings all they want, traces or otherwise. What I got from my post was not critique. It was "she's a she," which is not critique, but flippant dismissal. It was pretty much one person saying it, buuut then a whole bunch of people in the thread decided to jump in and double down on the remark. Honestly I've gotten a lot worse feedback than that, but it was still pretty rude, and the fact that it just kept going was kind of, uh. Not super great.

And then having people jumping on the train with apparent lore justification for my character being unplayable also didn't exactly feel wonderful. But my itty bitty widdle feefees aren't really that important here.

Wrt the current topic, I'm on board for whatever body type or face type as long as gross sexual dimorphism isn't involved, because I'm pretty sick of that. The Au Ra dimorphism is a pretty big turnoff for me. It's obviously not WoW-level, but it's still pretty tiresome. And yes, this does go the other direction; I think smol bun male Viera would be out of place and strange. It also wouldn't really fit with the established lore that apparently there's very little physical difference between the sexes prior to puberty.

Then again, babby Au Ra all pretty much look the same. The women just never physically mature past their teens.

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Yeah, I also thought it was a bit rude.
I know there will probably be a few people in this thread that will intentionally try to give you a hard time, but I would just ignore it.
There are some of us who did enjoy your screenshot and your artwork, and I hope you're not discouraged from posting more. If you have a backstory for your male viera character as well, I'm definitely interested in hearing it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

https://i.imgur.com/U7j9NBS.jpg

Just stick on some bunny ears and we're sorted!

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Now that actually looks like a male viera. I think his ears are under the hood.

Male viera live a solitary existence, and a long life. They probably train in their off time. Sparring with morbols and stuff.

Male vieras lore wise are probably as fat as vauthry cuz all they do is get fed by their female slaves and procreate to make sure their species lives on.

Is that what you all want? :^)

"Stop generalizing a group of people!"
"Hold on while I generalize this whole group of people."
- Same person, probably.

Seeing that the females have a bit of unchangeable body tone that makes them look fit.
It's pretty much already guarantee the males will be ripped.

I don't really have any one specific preference for male Viera's body type/height. Most likely they will base it off one of the existing male body types, question is which one they will pick to use.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

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You're right, I rephrased it.
"I guess I should have just said you and a handful of other posters."
I'm sure most of you know which people I'm referring to, or at least have a general idea.
I'll drop it here and won't say any more on that, though.

Also, saying "a few people in the buff camp" isn't generalizing a whole group of people.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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So disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In what manner? Could you please elaborate? I'm just trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together.

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You're implying I'm being called out for generalizing, when I wasn't, and you knew exactly what I was talking about. Which is why I referred to your comment as disingenuous.

I specifically said "a few people in the buff camp" the first time, and the second time, said "your camp". You're both taking it out of context, but you really knew what I was saying was directed at only a few people. So, it's really all just disingenuous jabs being directed at me.

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Originally Posted by Senn

You're right, I rephrased it.
"I guess I should have just said you and a handful of other posters."
I'm sure most of you know which people I'm referring to, or at least have a general idea.
I'll drop it here and won't say any more on that, though.

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In my opinion it creates a tense, unsettling atmosphere in the thread. I hope people aren't sitting back worrying that they're being called out!

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Originally Posted by Senn

So disingenuous.

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In what manner? Could you please elaborate? I'm just trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together.

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Originally Posted by Senn

You're implying I'm being called out for generalizing, when I wasn't, and you knew exactly what I was talking about. Which is why I referred to your comment as disingenuous.

I specifically said "a few people in the buff camp" the first time, and the second time, said "your camp". You're both taking it out of context, but you really knew what I was saying was directed at only a few people. So, it's really all just disingenuous jabs being directed at me.

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I think there is a misunderstanding. Your initial post on the matter didn't come across as clearly as you may believe, though I thank you for the further elaboration on the matter as it gives more insight into your chosen stances.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think there is a misunderstanding. Your initial post on the matter didn't come across as clearly as you may believe, though I thank you for the further elaboration on the matter as it gives more insight into your chosen stances.

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You're very welcome. I'm always happy to correct misunderstandings.

Male viera sparring with a morbol.

https://i.imgur.com/9lV2nBF.png

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Male viera sparring with a morbol.

https://i.imgur.com/9lV2nBF.png

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Oh, wow! Absolutely brilliant! If they ever add male viera, I think they should definitely be designed to be as fierce and intimidating as that. Morbols have always creeped me out so I'm definitely rooting for the beefy bunny in that fight!

I found some male viera artwork from twitter user: @gIue_stick which I thought looked fantastic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qfDv3XsAAVfLD.jpg

I think SturmChurro's take on the potential male viera model is a better fit. The aesthetics are much more pleasing to the eye and it resembles a fierce defender of the forest much more.

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I found some male viera artwork from twitter user @gIue_stick which I thought looked fantastic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qfDv3XsAAVfLD.jpg

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I really like how much detail they put into the hair and ears. I would definitely make a male to join my cast of characters with the face on the second page, especially with that nose and scar option. This is a good concept for a slim and athletic build and follows the original concept art.

Just now, I saw more of @gIue_stick's posts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D94N8SkWsAAouXb.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9UaqvLXUAEL7AA.jpg:large

I'm super impressed by this :o :o :o

Even their small male viera drawing on their notepad or sketchbook looks amazing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9dFnGpX4AUBfYC.jpg

all art by twitter user: @gIue_stick

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

I really like how much detail they put into the hair and ears. I would definitely make a male to join my cast of characters with the face on the second page, especially with that nose and scar option. This is a good concept for a slim and athletic build and follows the original concept art.

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I love their version of male viera. I think it's a great slim and athletic build and follows the concept art well just like you said. I don't have a twitter, but I'm so tempted to make one just to follow this user. I'm very happy I discovered them.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I found some male viera artwork from twitter user @gIue_stick which I thought looked fantastic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qfDv3XsAAVfLD.jpg

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The art is pretty good, great looking female viera.

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Originally Posted by Senn

art by @FrischeNq on twitter
https://i.imgur.com/BFcTvp0.png?1

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I think it's pretty great!

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Originally Posted by Senn

A while ago, you told people to stop posting the same art in this thread.
For some reason, your post was deleted, but I was in agreement with you and responded with this.



Did you change your mind on this?

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I don't recall. Did I? Even if so, I'm sure there's no shortage of other posters - yourself included - who have made conflicting statements over the course of a 829 page thread.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

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A while ago, you told people to stop posting the same art in this thread.
For some reason, your post was deleted, but I was in agreement with you and responded with this.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Agreed. There will probably be people who unknowingly post art that has already been shown in the thread. Let's try to avoid posting the same thing if possible.
However, I think it's ok to post art that has already been posted if there's something specific about that art piece you want to discuss.

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Did you change your mind on this?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't recall. Did I?

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I remember, and you most certainly did. It's a bit hypocritical of you to keep posting the same image.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Even if so, I'm sure there's no shortage of other posters - yourself included - who have made conflicting statements over the course of a 829 page thread

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"Backtracking, eh?" :^)

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I don't think that it is hypocritical at all. I was simply quoting part of the original post to voice my agreement as to what I would like they to look like, after all.

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Uh huh. You've posted this picture several times before. Which is really funny, since you were against other people posting the other pictures over and over again - which I was in agreement with you. I really wish your post wasn't deleted, but what can I do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In my opinion it creates a tense, unsettling atmosphere in the thread. I hope people aren't sitting back worrying that they're being called out!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

At any rate, since we know that Yoshi-P has already ruled out child-like designs for male viera then perhaps it would be a good idea to avoid posting designs that adhere to those aesthetics? Perhaps the original post could be updated as well with a link to the statement ruling out child-like viera as the reasoning is very important.

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Ahahaha so salty ;);););)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think you should strive to post constructively. I don't want to see this thread locked.

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Oh I agree! I think you should stop spamming the same picture. I don't want to see this thread locked.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I think it's pretty great!



I don't recall. Did I? Even if so, I'm sure there's no shortage of other posters - yourself included - who have made conflicting statements over the course of a 829 page thread.

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I remember, and you most certainly did. It's a bit hypocritical of you to keep posting the same image.

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I don't think that it is hypocritical at all. I was simply quoting part of the original post to voice my agreement as to what I would like them to look like, after all.

At any rate, since we know that Yoshi-P has already ruled out child-like designs for male viera then perhaps it would be a good idea to avoid posting designs that adhere to those aesthetics? Perhaps the original post could be updated as well with a link to the statement ruling out child-like viera as the reasoning is very important.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Ahahaha so salty ;);););)

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Not at all, though I think you should strive to post constructively. I don't want to see this thread locked.

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I really like how much detail they put into the hair and ears. I would definitely make a male to join my cast of characters with the face on the second page, especially with that nose and scar option. This is a good concept for a slim and athletic build and follows the original concept art.

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What do you mean? Left side has some great artwork of female, and a bit of a concept of the male body in the bottom middle, but right side is supposed to be a male and looks nothing like the original concept art.

https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con.../04/Viera1.jpg

Unless you mean this one?

https://i.imgur.com/Y3wu6e8.png

What concept are you referencing?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The art is pretty good, great looking female viera.

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Exactly my thoughts too! Now as for the males, that picture reposted by Theodric is a great illustration of a slim, handsome, elegant male Viera! Much like the three guys on the first row of the original concept art.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

I believe I read somewhere that the birth rate of females in Hrothgar society are extremely low, thus the lack of them. I'll have to dig around once I'm off work to see if I can remember where I read it, and if it's credible and not just someone's reddit headcanon or something. I'll let you know if I find something!

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It's part of their race description from promo site actually. And I mean... it still sounds extremely dumb, unless they give birth with hundreds of eggs like Sahagins do. And considering "The First" storyline - they don't (though it could be mix-raced marriage).

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Yes, I believe that was a huge misstep to say Hrothgar females were extremely rare. It opens up unfortunate implications.

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Well... ehm. It was just lazy exuse, I suspect. In the way "It worked with male Miqo'te and male Viera, so why it wouldn't work here?" without much thoughts behind this and how this lore sounds when you start to analyze it. But I could be wrong and they maybe have some brilliant explanaition, so we will see.


Also, this is off-topic I suspect and we should discuss it in Hrothgars thread maybe but okay. XD

I just had an epiphany... We all know(or should know by now in this thread) that the males live in solitude their entire life, hunting, cooking, attire, housing all done by themselves. They at times go back to the women to breed and lead boys coming of age away to help them learn to live in the woods until old enough to fend for themselves.

Now, if one is a loner in the wild, we've all seen how they can look. Some stocky, some skinny, for humans at least. Most are short, (This I feel has more to do with the genes of the race of the person though) but seen a few tall ones. One thing is for sure, they are strapped. If they flex, muscles role over muscles.

Knowing the lore, does anyone else picture a Bunny version of Wolverine from Marvel?

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I just had an epiphany... We all know(or should know by now in this thread) that the males live in solitude their entire life

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Actually, and this is something I just recently learned, but male viera do not live in solitude for their entire lives. They are only given permission to seek solitude once they successfully complete the rite of passage. Well... this is probably a moot point since viera are known to have very long life spans. Perhaps their training to become a master is simply a small fragment of their life, and they very well may live in solitude for the majority of their lives.

I do wonder if there are some male viera that choose not to live in solitude. By completing the rite of passage, they are given permission to seek solitude, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what all of them choose to do, is it? Maybe there are some male viera that prefer to remain in the groups they trained with or something?

As for your question, I do think male viera would have muscle, but I don't think they would be super buff. I've pointed at minafumi's artwork before as an example for how they might look. There's still muscle, and they are toned, but they are also very slim. Hmm.. if we're going by comic book heroes, I think spiderman would be a good comparison.

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Actually, and this is something I just recently learned, but male viera do not live in solitude for their entire lives. They are only given permission to seek solitude once they successfully complete the rite of passage. Well... this is probably a moot point since viera are known to have very long life spans. Perhaps their training to become a master is simply a small fragment of their life, and they very well may live in solitude for the majority of their lives.

I do wonder if there are some male viera that choose not to live in solitude. By completing the rite of passage, they are given permission to seek solitude, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what all of them choose to do, is it? Maybe there are some male viera that prefer to remain in the groups they trained with or something?

As for your question, I do think male viera would have muscle, but I don't think they would be super buff. I've pointed at minafumi's artwork before as an example for how they might look. There's still muscle, and they are toned, but they are also very slim. Hmm.. if we're going by comic book heroes, I think spiderman would be a good comparison.

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Well, yes, the rite of passage is performed by another male, someone posted the lore a few pages back. Once boys are of age, they are taken away, why you never see anything male in a female Vii village.

I could see spiderman too, he's sculpted well.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Actually, and this is something I just recently learned, but male viera do not live in solitude for their entire lives. They are only given permission to seek solitude once they successfully complete the rite of passage. Well... this is probably a moot point since viera are known to have very long life spans. Perhaps their training to become a master is simply a small fragment of their life, and they very well may live in solitude for the majority of their lives.

I do wonder if there are some male viera that choose not to live in solitude. By completing the rite of passage, they are given permission to seek solitude, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what all of them choose to do, is it? Maybe there are some male viera that prefer to remain in the groups they trained with or something?

As for your question, I do think male viera would have muscle, but I don't think they would be super buff. I've pointed at minafumi's artwork before as an example for how they might look. There's still muscle, and they are toned, but they are also very slim. Hmm.. if we're going by comic book heroes, I think spiderman would be a good comparison.

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Actually this is the character Matsuno referred to when hinting at the body weight and muscle mass to Minafumi.
Some people here(you know who you are) are constantly referencing more bulky characters, but really, start arguing with me when you learn Japanese.
This is Toru Rikiishi from Ashita no Joe. Matsuno specifically said "his proportions before the rematch with Joe where he was at his lightest".
https://joe-50th.com/img/img_story_01.jpg

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Oh, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Do you mind linking Matsuno's comment, as well as posting your own translation in one post?
Er.. I mean we already have your translation, but would be nice having it side by side in one post.

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Oh, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Do you mind linking Matsuno's comment, as well as posting your own translation in one post?
Er.. I mean we already have your translation, but would be nice having it side by side in one post.

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It's the one I linked some months ago, about having "a boxer's physique".
https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/st...63923227910145
The phrase inside the parenthesis says "You know that time when Rikiishi did that thing in Ashita no Joe?" with a bit of Japanese word-play involved.

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Again, in the lore, they are rarely seen and stick to the woods. If you have lore from the lore team stating otherwise I'd love to see it.

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And when they are added in the future that lore does not matter at all. Then you will do the 24 man raid as a male viera while the NPC talks about never having seen a male Viera in his life. I mean they already did that with the Au Ra. You could run around in a city who still killed Au Ra on sight quite a few years ago and nobody would bat an eye. People can then be surprised about the Yugiri reveal while your Au Ra character stands next to her, who never got a reaction at all.

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It's the one I linked some months ago, about having "a boxer's physique".

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Ah I see. I do remember that, then. So based off of what Matsuno said, male viera seem to be like a light weight boxer.

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Thank you for getting that link again!

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Actually this is the character Matsuno referred to when hinting at the body weight and muscle mass to Minafumi.
Some people here(you know who you are) are constantly referencing more bulky characters, but really, start arguing with me when you learn Japanese.
This is Toru Rikiishi from Ashita no Joe. Matsuno specifically said "his proportions before the rematch with Joe where he was at his lightest".
https://joe-50th.com/img/img_story_01.jpg

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Looking at him, he's in ~60kg category, light-weighted? (I didn't read this manga so I'm not sure) Well, quite good proportions actually. Fit to the shadow-living good enough for being sneaky and fast, and also not beeing too much fragile to die from one hit in face-to-face battle.

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Actually this is the character Matsuno referred to when hinting at the body weight and muscle mass to Minafumi.
Some people here(you know who you are) are constantly referencing more bulky characters, but really, start arguing with me when you learn Japanese.
This is Toru Rikiishi from Ashita no Joe. Matsuno specifically said "his proportions before the rematch with Joe where he was at his lightest".
https://joe-50th.com/img/img_story_01.jpg

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Interesting and it shows that the japanese do have a different view on body types. I do think this would fit Vieras (maybe a bit longer to fit more with the females) since they have power and some muscles but are "slim" enough to be fast and silent protectors of the forest. The bulky art a few pages back is showing a viera who is probably even bulkier than Roes and imo not really something that would fit the look of the race (would just be another Au Ra difference imo) and would make it really hard to silently go around the forest.

Please SE in the end just give us a gender that fits with the females. That dont play with the tropes of females being the good looking slim ones while the males are hulks.

Does it count that I am japanese, but not spoken it since I was 14? =P But that is the exact thing I've been trying Viera males to look like. Cut, pure raw strength. My Grandpa was the same way, muscles like wires even before he passed away. He looked small, but when his muscles moved, was weird and scary to look at when younger, but later learned anatomy and was like, Oooooo...

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Looking at him, he's in ~60kg category, light-weighted? (I didn't read this manga so I'm not sure) Well, quite good proportions actually. Fit to the shadow-living good enough for being sneaky and fast, and also not beeing too much fragile to die from one hit in face-to-face battle.

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Actually he went from 66kg to 53kg before the rematch. He was at least 5'11 so the strain on his body was great combined with intense weight-loss training and a fight with a powerful foe(Joe).
He actually died shortly after the match. If he was shorter like Joe(5'4), he would have had less trouble pulling off that weight and still retain muscle mass. This is common boxing mentality.

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Does it count that I am japanese, but not spoken it since I was 14? =P But that is the exact thing I've been trying Viera males to look like. Cut, pure raw strength. My Grandpa was the same way, muscles like wires even before he passed away. He looked small, but when his muscles moved, was weird and scary to look at when younger, but later learned anatomy and was like, Oooooo...

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As long as you still remember lol But yeah, at this height though, there will be problems with survival.
Some of my posts back were photos of actual Amazonian hunters who had pretty much the same physique except they were a lot shorter(Amazonians are located in South America, so it's common for them).
With this body type and a shorter height they will be better hunters and survivors in the long run.

Here you go:

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Moreover real amazonian hunters look like this:

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...b1a7a79b8087eb

Rather than Conan the Barbarian(see below). These people who say they should be tall and body-builder crazy muscular are not really convincing.

https://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.c...ries.jpg?w=620

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