Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

Another thing I noticed, although relatively minor, was with the FATEs against the bandits. Previous expansions had no qualms just having us slaughter human enemies when their HP is gone, they play the death animation and fade away, but here instead they run away after all their HP is gone. It's relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, but it does come across as oddly inconsistent; this is the same game with Tesleen being skewered, Teledji being sliced in half (albeit off-screen), war, genocide, conquest, but a few bandits slaughtering merchants? Nah they gotta live, never mind that they have no qualms in killing us, but we can only subdue them.
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And also immediately right after is the token "why do people become bandit? Maybe if their lives were better they won't become bandit?" mention.

And when you get to Mehwahhetsoan, there is another token "industrial development is bad for environment and wild life" mention.


Like ... it's weird. Don't get me wrong, FF14 being preachy is nothing news. Sometime even Alphinauh annoyed me of how preachy he is way before DT, and the whole peace and friendship isn't really a Wuk Lamat exclusive. But the thing is in the past, the virtual signalling when it happens, it felt substantial, with intend and purpose, and with effort to make it part of the story. Like the whole Ultima Thule zone felt like a sermon to me, but it was written into a full story. With DT though ... like you said they're just minor detail, token mention that makes me go "huh? Why do that or say that here?". It's like ticking checkboxes, or they're there so they can take an out of context snapshot and put it in a report later to make some ... underwriter happy.


One one hand, they're just minor that doesn't really affect anything important right now. Collectively though, together with the transition to a new writing team and a new era for the game ... it does make me a bit concern if this is the new direction they gonna take the narrative from now on?

I can live with not being the main focus of the story, thats completely fine.

as long as no one expects me to save the world again. I will point them in the direction of Wuk Lamat and tell them to bugger off.

we have fought gods, we have saved the star a time or two, traveled to the end of the universe to fight an immortal emo bird girl... but we need Wuk to save us from a rogue AI?

maybe Graha can fanboy on the Wukie and leave me alone.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

One one hand, they're just minor that doesn't really affect anything important right now. Collectively though, together with the transition to a new writing team and a new era for the game ... it does make me a bit concern if this is the new direction they gonna take the narrative from now on?

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You think if nothing is done that the direction will only get worse? Considering the voice side of things and preaching of diversity, and then ending up being racist with tacos being the whole culture... I feel like if we don't get the message across, then the writing team is going to push hard in a direction we won't like.

Feels like any feedback is useless... Well unless we make a huge noise about it.

I cant help but thinking someone with important position in the dev saw wuk lamat design and went crazy love with her and want the whole game expansion to be focus on her, idolize her in all glory, remind me back in ff13 where the dev admit he love lightning so much he want her to be everywhere and always mentioned even when she is not there.

Also my friend who play DT finally reach the end of succesion rite, and i totally agree with his saying about wuk lamat

"its shoujo manga. The whole DT expansion is just a shoujo episode, wuk lamat is your happy go lucky and innocent princess accompany with trustable handsome group of his friends, daringly went to each province to solve problem. Its the usual stichk shoujo fantasy manga princess together with the capture target love interest (only in this case she already fixed her target to us WOL), and his "cool" brother who turn out to be very caring to her which also accompany with 2 hot dudes. The whole thing is just your shoujo fantasy manga done in ff14"

Lmao

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Originally Posted by Daralii

"Speak with Wuk Lamat" is the ride that never ends.

https://i.imgur.com/c2d0a39.png

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Given the physical ranged role quest devs are fully aware how overused and boring this "speak to" crap is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ebd4c2643d038&

yet they keep doing it and don't even allow us snarky responses in MSQ?

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Originally Posted by gumas

I cant help but thinking someone with important position in the dev saw wuk lamat design and went crazy love with her and want the whole game expansion to be focus on her, idolize her in all glory, remind me back in ff13 where the dev admit he love lightning so much he want her to be everywhere and always mentioned even when she is not there.

Also my friend who play DT finally reach the end of succesion rite, and i totally agree with his saying about wuk lamat

"its shoujo manga. The whole DT expansion is just a shoujo episode, wuk lamat is your happy go lucky and innocent princess accompany with trustable handsome group of his friends, daringly went to each province to solve problem. Its the usual stichk shoujo fantasy manga princess together with the capture target love interest (only in this case she already fixed her target to us WOL), and his "cool" brother who turn out to be very caring to her which also accompany with 2 hot dudes. The whole thing is just your shoujo fantasy manga done in ff14"

Lmao

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Please don‘t call my WoL their love interest… I think I‘m going sick.

But yeah I agree. Wuk Lamat really seems like someone on the dev team in a high position fell madly in love with her.
I wouldn‘t be surprised if they already have fan merchandise of her made and now think „oh crap“.

Or the devs really, really thought that would be what the players want.
She actually seems like having G‘Raha‘s genki go lucky scenes turned up to eleven.
Food obsessed, acting „cute“ (I find her creepy), loving her people and giving speeches.
They forgot that:
A: G’Raha has an actually deeper side to him
B: Quit a number like the crystal exarch and not that side of G’Raha.

Yoshida said on an interview that G‘Raha became so good obsessed because players were positive about the burger scene and the made it his personality.

If that’s the case then we have the problem of the devs being WAY out of touch with the playerbase regarding DT‘s MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

Given the physical ranged role quest devs are fully aware how overused and boring this "speak to" crap is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ebd4c2643d038&

yet they keep doing it and don't even allow us snarky responses in MSQ?

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I wouldn’t be surprised if these are different writers and they only got directions for the overall feel.
Makes me wonder how many of the devs gave warning beforehand or think as us. They are also human after all.
I‘m also against targeting all the devs (not you mind you) because the level designers, sidequests people and battle content devs did an amazing job.


By the way. How do I actually impede an image in this forum? I was always wondering.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

Given the physical ranged role quest devs are fully aware how overused and boring this "speak to" crap is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ebd4c2643d038&

yet they keep doing it and don't even allow us snarky responses in MSQ?

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These kind of lines are usually localisation only.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Please don‘t call my WoL their love interest… I think I‘m going sick.

But yeah I agree. Wuk Lamat really seems like someone on the dev team in a high position fell madly in love with her.
I wouldn‘t be surprised if they already have fan merchandise of her made and now think „oh crap“.

Or the devs really, really thought that would be what the players want.
She actually seems like having G‘Raha‘s genki go lucky scenes turned up to eleven.
Food obsessed, acting „cute“ (I find her creepy), loving her people and giving speeches.
They forgot that:
A: G’Raha has an actually deeper side to him
B: Quit a number like the crystal exarch and not that side of G’Raha.

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graha work because he starting to act like that only because he finally free from everything he endure and work for, his hardship and endless work he do in shadowbringer cost him so much, it take almost everything to try to summon us and after that a lot of things happened, at the end he is happy and even accept his fate knowing full well everything is in good hands. he know he will die but what he didnt know is that we save him and even bring him back to our world.

current graha now is a person who free from his old responsibility. guys is basically free, he defeat his own hell and finally reach heaven and welcomed by his dream team. we as human will always know that feel, the feel free from work from chore from everything, just having fun with your best bud, living your best life.

what did wuk lamat do? she came to hired us, she talk to people and problem solved, we went somewhere else and.... she talk to them again.... and problem solved.... again.

seriously where is wuk lamat when endsinger about to end the universe, we could just send wuk lamat alone to talk with endsinger and the whole endwalker expansion probably never happen

Almost done with the MSQ after a 3 months break, it's time to hit the breaks again. This expansion is beyond saving.

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