Please don't change Viper

Apparently they want to change it because the Japanese community complaints its too fast, when its on par with samurai and monk. This decision makes no sence especially when vocal majority is screaming at you to leave it alone.

Its actually kinda funny that when Japanese community does not like something, its gets changed in next minor patch, but anybody else has to scream at them for years to fix obvious glaring issues like old living dead or how they have been homogenazing everything since stormblood, to the point where endwalker was putting people to sleep.

1. Don't change viper. Part of it's identity as it's name is "Viper" aka a snake. By removing some of our positionals, You're removing part of it's identity. I'm not one who has ever loved positionals, But on Viper it feels REALLY good and well done. It's fun.
2. I think as many people have stated it is just WAY to early to Judge it to be changed. We should at least get Savage Tier 1 to play and experience to see what needs to be changed. At the time of writting this, Early access players have only had 8 days, and official launch was only 4 days ago. It's not enough time to be done properly.
3. If we are gonna make a push to be more complex and more identity, How are we going to get there, if we are always homogenizing everything? At most Pictomancer and Viper should be the ones to stand out because of that future change, Not forced into the same box with the rest that already get feedback to change em to more complex and identity. I think by changing it, You're only letting the issue that is outcried so loudly, to continue to rise and we're begging you not to.
Finally, You can find various of your Media Tour people all speaking roughly the same, that it is way too early, and does not need this change.
I don't know where the opinion came from, but for the sake of me and many others. Do not do this. Not every job is meant to be for everyone and that has to be okay, Otherwise we will repeat over and over.
I love this game, i love being here, i love viper and Please if you are out there listening, Please listen to us. Check feedback deeper than surface level, Not the ones who immediately gripe over something minute one.
We're all here, We're all loving this class as it is, and people i have witnessed around me in game, Have adapted easily to it and love it.
Please, Yoshi-P.
Listen to us, make the better choice and put your foot down. We're all begging you.

*Translated, may be rough*

1. バイパーを変更しないでください。その名前の正体の一部は「バイパー」、別名ヘビです。位置指定の一部を削除すると、そのアイデンティティの一部が削除されます。私はポジショナルがあまり好きではありませんでしたが、Viper では本当に良くできていると感じます。楽しいですね。
2. 多くの人が述べているように、変更すべきと判断するのは時期尚早だと思います。少なくともSavage Tier 1をプレイして体験してもらい、何を変更する必要があるかを確認する必要があります。これを書いている時点では、早期アクセス プレイヤーは 8 日間しかプレイできず、正式なローンチはわずか 4 日前です。きちんとやるには時間が足りない。
3. より複雑でよりアイデンティティを追求する場合、常にすべてを均質化している場合、どうやってそこに到達するのでしょうか?将来の変更によって目立つのはせいぜいピクトマンサーとバイパーであるべきであり、より複雑でアイデンティティを変えるためにすでにフィードバックを得ている残りの部分と同じボックスに強制されるべきではありません。それを変えることは、大声で叫ばれている問題をそのまま放置しているだけであり、私たちはそうしないようにお願いしているのだと思います。
最後に、メディア ツアーのさまざまな人々がほぼ同じことを言っていることがわかります。時期尚早であり、この変更は必要ありません。
その意見がどこから来たのかは知りませんが、私と他の多くの人たちのために。こんなことしないで。すべての仕事がすべての人に適しているわけではありませんし、それが問題ではないはずです。そうでないと、何度も同じことを繰り返すことになります。
私はこのゲームが大好きです、ここにいるのが大好きです、バイパーが大好きです、そしてもしそこにいて聞いているなら、私たちの話を聞いてください。些細なことですぐに不平を言う人ではなく、表面的なレベルよりも深いフィードバックを確認してください。
私たちは皆ここにいます、私たちは皆このクラスをそのまま愛しています、そして私がゲームで私の周りで目撃した人々は、このクラスに簡単に適応し、それを愛しています。
ヨシPさん、お願いします。
私たちの話を聞いて、より良い選択をし、しっかりと腰を据えてください。私たちは皆、あなたにお願いしています。

Adding my voice in support of leaving Viper alone! The job is fine how it is. The fast pace of the combos and the positionals keep it engaging and differentiate it from the rest of the melee dps. Playing Viper is the most fun I've had playing a dps job in years, please don't change it.

Been playing viper non stop since expansion started, the job is perfect as is, the speed, the positionals, everything is fine. If people don't like the job, or are confused on how it works then it's just not a job for them. Not every player is going to like every job.

I don’t understand how it’s at all possible the job needs to be made easier. I think it’s quite fun as is and once I figured out the buttons I was golden. Doesn’t need any changes to be made “less busy”.

Adding my voice after so much time out of the forums.

Please do not change Viper. Do not remove positionals or how the combo work. It's been such a fresh job after all these years, don't kill everyone's enthousiasm because of a very tiny but yet very vocal minority.

The vast majority of players think it's fine as it is, do not dumb it down, listen to us!

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Originally Posted by Jebatus

Its actually kinda funny that when Japanese community does not like something, its gets changed in next minor patch, but anybody else has to scream at them for years to fix obvious glaring issues like old living dead or how they have been homogenazing everything since stormblood, to the point where endwalker was putting people to sleep.

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the devs are japanese, so that's not much of a surprise. how many 'murican devs design their games based on japanese feedback?

there's also the fact that, while people in the west will loudly complain about things, they'll keep playing the game for decades before getting too fed up. correct me if i'm wrong but eastern audiences are a lot more willing to quit when they're unhappy with something - i'm aware of quite a few examples from TCGs to gacha games and even celebrities can lose their whole career if people find out they smoke or have a boyfriend

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Originally Posted by Melethron123

the devs are japanese, so that's not much of a surprise. how many 'murican devs design their games based on japanese feedback?

there's also the fact that, while people in the west will loudly complain about things, they'll keep playing the game for decades before getting too fed up. correct me if i'm wrong but eastern audiences are a lot more willing to quit when they're unhappy with something - i'm aware of quite a few examples from TCGs to gacha games and even celebrities can lose their whole career if people find out they smoke or have a boyfriend

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You misunderstand. For many people, even though we have been putting up with it for a long time, this IS what is making a lot of us willing to quit because we are unhappy. I have been watching jobs ebb and flow for a long time and have mostly been able to tolerate it, but the homogenization of a job that has been out for single digit days is the last straw for me personally. It will be up to people to put their money where their mouth is if the changes do go through, but most of us are of course fighting in hopes that these changes don't happen to begin with.

I do not currently play it but have a very good friend who does and they love it just as it is. They loved Monk before it got it's changes to take away what made it complex and interesting to them. This has given that back and they are having so much fun. I look forward to the challenge of more than 2 positionals when I dive in and learn it for myself.

Please do not change viper. It's too soon to be making a change like this. The game has been out for official release less than a week.

Viper has rekindled my interest in the game and makes me want to try/do content again like I really hope they don't change it, bare minimal maybe duration buffs/noxious gnash is like slightly longer but that's it nothing else.

The basic "1-2-3" combos are easy to understand because the finisher is named and color coded for positionals while glowing. The hunter and swift coil combos from dreadwinder are slow(er) gcds which allow time to press ogcds and align for next positional I really don't get how its too busy.