Immersion, The Facts & Fiction

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

/yawn

yeah, amazing how i found one by accident when you couldn't find one on purpose

*please refer to virtual reality immersion post earlier*

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Way to contradict yourself by saying you were never coming back to this thread, having it locked and not replying to "stupid ignorant comments" That don't agree with your views... and then seconds later you relentlessly come back doing the exact thing you said you weren't going to do. LOL

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Originally Posted by Caliburn

I think everybody needs to calm down a little. ^_^

ALTHOUGH I AM FINDING THIS IMMMERRSSSIIING.

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XD

Awesome XD

I wish we could turn this into a comedy thread like the gunhalbard one, but the threads gone to the dogs now. So there's only really two choices, either it's 1: used to suggest possible new 'immersive' content or 2: is closed by the next dev/rep that passes through it.

Though if it were 2 then the people who spend all their time in it (not me, I've been all over the forums in 2 laps by the time they post one reply) would have nowhere to vent their "i know what immersion is when really i don't" rage so then they'd end up screwing up other threads.

You could actually say this thread was helping the forums by keeping 'the immersion team' in one enclosed space.

Yay :D

I'd have another chocolate milkshake but I've already had 2 today.

You know, there was an Extra Creditz video about the difference between making a game immersive and making it engaging... Tried to find it before but unfortunately there was no giveaway in any of the video titles. If I manage to find it sometime, I'll post it here - assuming the thread doesn't get locked by then.

Or I'll just make a new thread.

You should know the first rule of all forums: When in doubt, make a new thread.

Yeah, I said if this one gets locked.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

One cannot argue for instance that the mini-map in FFXIV decreases the immersion. The fact that it is in the game means it is PART OF the game, therefore, it is part of the immersion.
One cannot argue that teleporting in FFXIV decreases the immersion.
It is in the game, it is part of the game, it is part of it's immersion.

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Correct but incorrect at the same time. Immersion is the total overall feeling one possesses when playing a game (or reading a book, watching a movie), therefor everything in the medium DOES affect the immersion of the medium itself.

However, you are 100% incorrect in the assumption that the mini-map cannot decrease immersion. Each facet of the game holds some value to the individual's feeling of immersion and the mini-map CAN decrease the immersion of that said individual. Your next sentence was right, as its in the game its part of the immersion, but in that case it can either be a increasing factor to immersion or a decrease to it. Anything that affects immersion goes one way or the other, and that's where your statement is incorrect.

I think the original problem was not with defining what immersion is, but rather the overall feeling of immersion and the particular areas while make you feel more immerse or not and if the game is going the direction of adding less immersing "things" or removing opportunities to become a more immersive environment.

For instance I could argue that the ability to switch classes ruins my immersion. Why can I beat a L40 Puk, but then swap to another class and get 2 shot by it. Why? My character isn't any physically weaker, so why should I get hit for more... I'm just not as adept at wielding a lance as I am wielding a sword but that doesn't mean I should turn to paper the moment I switch... what gives!?


tldr version:
Immersion can be gauged (per individual basis) and EVERYTHING effects it (positive or negative), so saying something cannot is just flat wrong.

Ok, here's how to obtain full immersion.

1- slam your head into your keyboard until you can't remember a single thing.
2- look up at you computer monitor and see ff14 on the screen.
Hopefully the swelling in you head will cause you to believe what you see is real. Remember not to hit your head too hard. If you do it to much you may lose the ability to look at your screen.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

Ok, here's how to obtain full immersion.

1- slam your head into your keyboard until you can't remember a single thing.
2- look up at you computer monitor and see ff14 on the screen.
Hopefully the swelling in you head will cause you to believe what you see is real. Remember not to hit your head too hard. If you do it to much you may lose the ability to look at your screen.

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my solution:
1: drink waaaaay too much alcohol
2: log onto ffxiv
3: spend 2-3 hours shouting at the screen whenever something doesn't go your way.

Apparently this is how football fans get immersed in football matches on the t.v.

I need a catchphrase to type at the end of my post...

how about あなただけだまされてきた。

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

how about あなただけだまされてきた。

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I was trying to use 'these are my thoughts on the matter' but sometimes I posted things that weren't opinions which would render it void.

Maybe I'll use wark wark.

Wark wark!