Player Run Companies: a Rallying Cry

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Originally Posted by Mack

I'm just gonna agree by saying I want player run companies like Tanaka envisioned them.

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This. I was a very sad panda when I realized the new dev team had scrapped/delayed/whatever the promise of player driven Companies, which was set to see the light of day in the first version update in 2011.

Some clarification would sure be sweet.

A company right now can't do anything a LS can't. So it would be a pointless feature.

Personally, I feel like the game should have been designed around player companies from the beginning. A free world where we group together to build economic hubs, generate our own quests, and prevent the Garlean Empire from invading our lands.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A company right now can't do anything a LS can't. So it would be a pointless feature.

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Of course it can't since it hasn't been implemented. But the promise was never "player driven companies with no content", and neither you, I or anyone else playing this game knows weather we will EVER see these things. I don't believe the OP was saying "Player companies NOW", I believe he was asking if it is indeed entirely scrapped or not.

For some people it was the most anticipated upcomming feature in FFXIV, me included. If the dev team gave some kind of info of this, even a plain "no", it would do no harm what so ever and people that did want the feature can move on.

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Originally Posted by Jamel-Irief

Of course it can't since it hasn't been implemented. But the promise was never "player driven companies with no content", and neither you, I or anyone else playing this game knows weather we will EVER see these things. I don't believe the OP was saying "Player companies NOW", I believe he was asking if it is indeed entirely scrapped or not.

For some people it was the most anticipated upcomming feature in FFXIV, me included. If the dev team gave some kind of info of this, even a plain "no", it would do no harm what so ever and people that did want the feature can move on.

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I'm just not sure what the point of a player company is.

Building airships and houses? That could be done by a Linkshell.

Other than that I don't know what the different functions of Linkshells and Companies would be, so I'm not entirely how a Company would be implemented "in Tanaka's vision" without making a Linkshell...defunct, I guess.

I guess we could go on debating the function and relevancy of player companies, but I'm not gonna go into that. You wouldn't change my mind about thinking that information from the dev team about weather we will ever see these player companies along with the features and content to back them up, would be nice.

I'm not expecting that they derail from their current plan of new a new battle system, instanced dungeons and so on. I'm (along with others) just asking if it'll ever see the light of day.

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Originally Posted by Jamel-Irief

I guess we could go on debating the function and relevancy of player companies, but I'm not gonna go into that. You wouldn't change my mind about thinking that information from the dev team about weather we will ever see these player companies along with the features and content to back them up, would be nice.

I'm not expecting that they derail from their current plan of new a new battle system, instanced dungeons and so on. I'm (along with others) just asking if it'll ever see the light of day.

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And I'm just asking (along with others) what a Player Company could do that a Linkshell would not be able to do, or have the added function of doing. If there isn't anything, then there is no point in having a Player Company at all.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

And I'm just asking (along with others) what a Player Company could do that a Linkshell would not be able to do, or have the added function of doing. If there isn't anything, then there is no point in having a Player Company at all.

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Well if we were promised Linkshell housing and ships, Im sure people would be clamoring for that instead.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Well if we were promised Linkshell housing and ships, Im sure people would be clamoring for that instead.

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Then clamor for Linkshells to be able to build ships and houses, not a pointless feature Tanaka envisioned just because Tanaka talked about it.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Then clamor for Linkshells to be able to build ships and houses, not a pointless feature Tanaka envisioned just because Tanaka talked about it.

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In the end, they would each have the same population so there's no distinguishing feature except that Company sounds like a group that actually DOES something, whereas Linkshell sounds like a chatroom.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

In the end, they would each have the same population so there's no distinguishing feature except that Company sounds like a group that actually DOES something, whereas Linkshell sounds like a chatroom.

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If a company does not have a chat, it would be non-functional. If a company does have a chat, it is able to fulfill everything a Linkshell can (since Linkshells do nothing but give players social connections), rendering Linkshells defunct.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

And I'm just asking (along with others) what a Player Company could do that a Linkshell would not be able to do, or have the added function of doing. If there isn't anything, then there is no point in having a Player Company at all.

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As it currently stands, linkshells are literally chat channels. You may, and by XI's standard are expected to have multiple, and use them as small groups with which to run certain aspects of the game, be it social or what have you. In this way, it can be very difficult to make a singular connection with just a linkshell.

Take for example a linkshell bank. If you let members give and take freely, one member may then take from all of their linkshells, and be dedicated to no single one. Further, as a linkshell can be created on the fly and up to 8 may be held, if given access to player housing, banks, and vehicles, what is to stop players from making 7 personal banks and houses?

Linkshells lack any need for specific loyalty. Companies, as envisioned here as large groups of people working toward a single goal require loyalty. Were they to release companies, allow people to keep their linkshells yet join only a single company, when it comes to company events you would naturally be loyal to your company.

If you don't see what I'm saying, picture this. Say they put up a company conquest system, reminiscent to XI's nations. You're in multiple LS's. Which LS should your progress be awarded to? These kind of scenarios could arise with all sorts of potential company content.

Further, linkshell size and controls are very limited. The very definition given of companies implies they will be larger groups. For my linkshell, we are rapidly nearing the LS cap. We have a strict app proccess and break the shell routinely to remove inactives, and at this point, we have roughly 20 spots remaining (Including the inactives to be trimmed) before we're entirely out of space and entirely filled with only active members. As such, we are not a zerg LS that takes anyone and everyone, so no, that is not why I'm nearly out of space. I do, however, wish to hold true to my statement that there will always be as many slots for more to join us as there are good people to fill them. Companies would allow and cater to larger groups of players, where linkshells may be anywhere from 8 to 80 active players for content, Companies would be designed around more.


All of this, however, is entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. I merely wish to know if they are still in the works. People can say there would be no content for them, but that's because they aren't implemented. Sort of a chicken and the egg kind of thing. If launched, I imagine they would be launched in the far future along with content.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

If a company does not have a chat, it would be non-functional. If a company does have a chat, it is able to fulfill everything a Linkshell can (since Linkshells do nothing but give players social connections), rendering Linkshells defunct.

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Most games have a heirarchy of systems

Faction->Guild->Party->Player

Alliance->Guild->Party->Player

I don't see what your deal is. If we only had a game with features which existed to fulfill the bare minimum requirements to 'suffice', then we'd just be playing by ourselves and our altnerate personality disorders.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

If a company does not have a chat, it would be non-functional. If a company does have a chat, it is able to fulfill everything a Linkshell can (since Linkshells do nothing but give players social connections), rendering Linkshells defunct.

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If companies are one per player and focused on company type content, and linkshells are what you use for statics, single areas of the game, or having multiple socials, they would both exist in their individual roles. Further, if companies require a minimum amount of players, Linkshells would be for smaller groups, based around the small scale content, where companies would be based upon a larger scale.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A company right now can't do anything a LS can't. So it would be a pointless feature.

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Blindly defending SE, I wouldn't expect this from this forum (lol, I crack myself up)....uhmm just curious, how the heck do you know this exactly?

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

A company right now can't do anything a LS can't. So it would be a pointless feature.

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of course right now a company can't do anything a linkshell can't. that being said all of that has to do with at this point there is NO player ran companies so they can do nothing in general.

that's like saying the auto-attack we have in game right now is not working. oh yeah no auto-attack n game now either.

Honestly what would a company do? This game is moving towards smaller linkshells, less people less drama. You at max need 20 people, meaning 10 people actually logged on and 20 total in ls, to do anything. We don't really have "events" or raids for non-xi folk. I doubt we'll get anything about an alliance system for a while (year to three years), I just don't see what a player run company would accomplish. I would rather have npc run companies, that could possibly give me besieged type content, campaign type content, dungeons, ties to my nations like rank missions in XI. And then add better features to ls e.g., ability to kick members without being close to them(seriously stupid idea to have us have to be near them to kick), a roster list that tells you where in the world that person is, so if that person is on and acting afk you can potentially tell where they are and if they are ditching out on things. And add a /sea all function (but w/e our population is low and SE doesn't want other mmo companies to know)

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Honestly what would a company do? This game is moving towards smaller linkshells, less people less drama. You at max need 20 people, meaning 10 people actually logged on and 20 total in ls, to do anything. We don't really have "events" or raids for non-xi folk. I doubt we'll get anything about an alliance system for a while (year to three years), I just don't see what a player run company would accomplish. I would rather have npc run companies, that could possibly give me besieged type content, campaign type content, dungeons, ties to my nations like rank missions in XI. And then add better features to ls e.g., ability to kick members without being close to them(seriously stupid idea to have us have to be near them to kick), a roster list that tells you where in the world that person is, so if that person is on and acting afk you can potentially tell where they are and if they are ditching out on things. And add a /sea all function (but w/e our population is low and SE doesn't want other mmo companies to know)

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no i much prefer my linkshell i am in with if being over 100 members. no matter what level you are you always have people to party with and enjoy time with.

player ran companies would be a good way to get different linkshells together to work as a whole towards something larger. that's the way i would use the companies. it would add to the community, which at this time, is very lacking.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no i much prefer my linkshell i am in with if being over 100 members. no matter what level you are you always have people to party with and enjoy time with.

player ran companies would be a good way to get different linkshells together to work as a whole towards something larger. that's the way i would use the companies. it would add to the community, which at this time, is very lacking.

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What you said actually helps what I said, I'm just saying current linkshell you have flexibility to be in 100 man or 10 man ls, personally I was in larger ls, but do not want to deal with more than 20 peoples differing opinions, I'm not willing to deal with drama in a game in this state basically, so I can have small linkshell. But lets say you find 100 great people, you can still have 100 people. There's no need to add a public company, because linkshells can have massive amounts of people.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

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Or we can just wait for an SE response without spouting nonsense =)

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

And I'm just asking (along with others) what a Player Company could do that a Linkshell would not be able to do, or have the added function of doing. If there isn't anything, then there is no point in having a Player Company at all.

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Well my understanding is linkshells are supposed to only be a means of communication across great distances, where as companies are more of a clan or guild of like minded individuals where being a member of such clan/guild provided perks suchs as group crafting, housing, and battle content. I remember reading that there would be company content that you would use ships/airships to get to. Also companies would not have the ridiculous player cap that LS's have as well as more functions such as ranks, the ability to remove folks if need be, pretty much all the functions LS's are lacking.

It doesn't take a genius to see the difference between companies and linkshells.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

What you said actually helps what I said, I'm just saying current linkshell you have flexibility to be in 100 man or 10 man ls, personally I was in larger ls, but do not want to deal with more than 20 peoples differing opinions, I'm not willing to deal with drama in a game in this state basically, so I can have small linkshell. But lets say you find 100 great people, you can still have 100 people. There's no need to add a public company, because linkshells can have massive amounts of people.

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Cap is 120 that isn't massive amounts. And just because you have drama with more then 20 doesn't mean everyone does, we have approximately 80-100 active members there is practically zero drama, and we are still seeing approximately 10 new applications a week. We dont want to have to turn away good folks because of the 120 limit or split the shell into 2. Player ran companies was a major feature of FFXIV we just want to know if it is still being planned or not.

It sounds like you are saying "I dont want to deal with more then 20 people, so no one else should be able to." I can see why you have drama issues.

I just really hope this gets answered. Something tells me its been seen but not replied to, which actually worries me more.

Spoke with Yoshida and got confirmation that Player Companies are still in the works. :)

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Yoshida and got confirmation that Player Companies are still in the works. :)

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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Awesome, Bayohne, thanks for the info. :)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Yoshida and got confirmation that Player Companies are still in the works. :)

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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lol Icebreaker! :O

Thanks for confirming this! See guys? Nuru is right! I win! :D

Thank you for that, Bayohne. I appreciate your attention. Can't wait to eventually hear more.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Yoshida and got confirmation that Player Companies are still in the works. :)

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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Thanks a ton for the confirmation, Bayohne! I think everyone can breathe a sigh of relief now. :)

Thank you, Bayohne!! That is fantastic news. :D

Sweet!

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Sometimes it feels good to be wrong :)

What i find realy funny is we have ZERO info of how Companies work and people want them to be player run. How do you want it player ran, what do you want controll over that the NPC have controll of?? No one knows, well the Dev's know but that doesn't count. Details, details, details that what i want.

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

What i find realy funny is we have ZERO info of how Companies work and people want them to be player run. How do you want it player ran, what do you want controll over that the NPC have controll of?? No one knows, well the Dev's know but that doesn't count. Details, details, details that what i want.

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Its not the point of developing that system first, but there was no mention of a player-ran company system when they announced these grand companies, and we were only curious as to know if Player-ran companies were still in the works.

This idea has been since the very beginning, even before the game was released.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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lol ..

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Its not the point of developing that system first, but there was no mention of a player-ran company system when they announced these grand companies, and we were only curious as to know if Player-ran companies were still in the works.

This idea has been since the very beginning, even before the game was released.

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I see what you mean. Their was a lot of stuff that was promised/ suppose to be ingame. Lets take all the voice over work thats not their that was suppose to be their. IN GW2 when you run by people in town you can hear what their talking about, now that is amazing. They said they have about 60 full length movies of audio in GW2. Also what ever happen to the Auto target they had in the game? It was great if you were attacked by 2 or mobs it would go to the 2nd mob after you killed the first one. Not sure why they took it out of the game.

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

Also what ever happen to the Auto target they had in the game? It was great if you were attacked by 2 or mobs it would go to the 2nd mob after you killed the first one. Not sure why they took it out of the game.

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Remember that it was most likely unintentional due to the fact that this game was crammed for release and has a lot of spaghetti code. They can fix one thing, but that can effect another feature, which just-so-happened to be the auto-targeting.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Remember that it was most likely unintentional due to the fact that this game was crammed for release and has a lot of spaghetti code. They can fix one thing, but that can effect another feature, which just-so-happened to be the auto-targeting.

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Then that means we could loose more stuff if they add more stuff? Sorry but i do not buy the code is crap and it broke the Auto Targetting. They took it out and i think replaced it with the new targeting system.

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

Then that means we could loose more stuff if they add more stuff? Sorry but i do not buy the code is crap and it broke the Auto Targetting. They took it out and i think replaced it with the new targeting system.

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No they didn't. Because auto targeting is not a replacement for a targeting system. It is a feature of said system.

Auto-Target is still ingame. But it only works when you have nothing in the target while the monster hit you.
But it would be nice when SE can switch off the Player2Player auto-target. It's irritating with each aoe heal.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with Yoshida and got confirmation that Player Companies are still in the works. :)

(I like how the post above and this flow together so naturally)

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I am eternally in your debt. Thank you very much for your time, you've made my day. I'll continue to keep my LS's spirits up, now that I know Companies are confirmed. :3