FFXIV and HD 6990

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Originally Posted by indira

ATI are gods of shitty drivers thats probly your problem

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Really? Just stop posting now.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Really? Just stop posting now.

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I detected sarcasm but it is the net, since the only other major gpu developer is nvidia and he definitely can't be saying they're better.

Judging by their posts in other threads - I'm calling stupidity.

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Originally Posted by indira

ATI are gods of shitty drivers thats probly your problem

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Actually he is correct there are numerous known issues with ATI drivers. the 6990 will be no exception however until the game is properly developed it will not make a difference.

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Originally Posted by indira

ATI are gods of shitty drivers thats probly your problem

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thats a matter of opinion and a myth. The fact is developers cant/dont test every single card to check performances/ driver issues. people use the same argument for AMD/Intel processors and its been proven wrong/viceversa before. Ive had many ATI cards in past and never had a single problem and when i say many i mean more than a dozen all dif models.

Ironically, AMD the same and sometimes pulls ahead for far cheaper than Intel processors.

People like to throw away money for marginal increases~

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Ironically, AMD the same and sometimes pulls ahead for far cheaper than Intel processors.

People like to throw away money for marginal increases~

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word! (wish i could autotranslate in forum lol) its so damn marginal now from the research i did a month ago that you'd be an idiot to waste money on the top of the line processor its just gonna be obsolete in 6mnths anyways lol. The one major upgrade processors need is the damn thermal paste already applied !!! dudes aint got experience painting objects w/ a brush like finger nails.

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

Actually he is correct there are numerous known issues with ATI drivers. the 6990 will be no exception however until the game is properly developed it will not make a difference.

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Switched to ATI a year ago, never had a single problem with either card or drivers so far. And since I own both nvidia and ati cards I can tell you that both companies keep a pretty similar in size "known issues" list for each driver release.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

They use this =)

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Anyone else notice on this advertisement, the Processor they are using. Intel i7 980 Extreme? 6 Cores + Hyperthreading. (If FFXIV supports Hyperthreading) Paired with a Nvidia 480. That is a very decent score it gets. Guess that FFXIV is both a CPU and GPU monger, instead of being only GPU hungry. (I don't believe everything I see on the internet, but this flyer looks pretty official)

Ah anyway, I use an iMac 27" with a Mobility Radeon 4850 at 1GB DDR5, Intel Core i7 quad 2.8GHz and 8GB RAM DDR3.
In the Bootcamp is installed a Win7 64bit, and I use MacFan to speed up fans in bootcamp.
Best game settings that I enjoy: 1920x1080, graphical 9 and background 5
DoF and AO off, texture highest and filtering standard.

Most common issues: Rain and bushes makes me stutter, and I also stutter when someone near teleports, sometimes.

i updated my main post edit#2

Whoa buddy, turn that shit down.

Can't just pop up on absolute MAX settings and expect it to run perfectly.

I have a GTX 480 and if I want 60 FPS then Ambient Occlusion and Depth of Field need to be turned off and AA can't really be above 2x.

You're expecting too much from FFXIV, cuz if you've been around here for a while you know that FFXIV isn't very well optimized and tortures your computer.

Also I highly recommend taking that last part of Edit #2 out. It makes you sound immature and it's a useless threat.

perhaps this might help you,
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1336578119

i had a GTX295 which is a dual GPU aswell, and while FFXIV runs well with 2 GTX460 in SLI it performed very badly with my GTX295.
worst 550€ i've ever spent in my life.

as for your strange noises, can't help you there, i know a few ppl running on 1-2x 5870's and they don't have those problems.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

perhaps this might help you,
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1336578119

i had a GTX295 which is a dual GPU aswell, and while FFXIV runs well with 2 GTX460 in SLI it performed very badly with my GTX295.
worst 550€ i've ever spent in my life.

as for your strange noises, can't help you there, i know a few ppl running on 1-2x 5870's and they don't have those problems.

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My 5870 was overclocked.... and my 6990 i turned on the bios2 switch which puts the core speed at 880mhz. I think i didn't have that noise when my 5870 was a stock speed but then again no other game then FFXIV made my card do that either.... it is very strange....


I checked you link and i did try previously to rename the game.exe to something else to trigger CF profile but i didn't see any difference. So is the poor performance of FFXIV on CF rigs due to SE's lack of programming knowledge or to AMD's lack of CF profile for FFXIV??

in such cases everyone is at fault, SE for making cards howl alot more due to an unoptimized engine, and AMD/Nvidia for lacking driver updates to help with the games performance.
i mean, it took nvidia just 6 months to get us a driver which doesn't drop our fps down to 10 instantly after activating ambient occlusion.

i guess your best bet is to wait for a newer driver, or try an old version, as the game has no influence on your cards performance.

Ya ffxiv sucks when it comes to duel gpu's. I have 5870 crossfire and run the game 60 fps on med-high settings. With crossfire enable the game runs like crap. When I cast spells it lags, its just all around crap. Have a friend with crossfire 4870's samething with his. Runs fine with a single card but once you crossfire them ffxiv rapes you. As far as weird noises go. I dont recall mine or my friends card making any weird noises while playing the game. (besides the fans kicking into overdrive)

im using a Asus Laptop, G73Jh, i have a I-7 720 1.6 - 2.8 GHZ, and a HD 5870 Mobility version ( 1 gig + DDR5 version) ( i think performs close to a desktop 5770 ) and 6 gigs of DDR3 ram.

General Quality( 8 )
Backround Quality ( 5 ) high
Shadows ( Highest )
Texture Quality ( Highest )
Filtering ( Highest ) x 16
Super-Sample
AA - Edge Detect x8/24
Catalyst AI- Standard
Running on 720 resolution ( only becuase 1080 makes UI + text to small >< UI scale can i have it ? )

i get about 23-33 FPS in town, 20-28 in the field and 35-55 FPS in dungeons ( 1080 drops me about 3-6 FPS )

i do OC my 5870 as much as i can ( standard is 699Mhz-1000) i clock it @ 785- 1085

This is with NO Depth of field or Ambient.

Oh also i run Full screen because window mode looks like crap in comparison

updated main post, edit #3

40 FPS seems to be pretty okay with those settings.
you could allways increase it to 60, but you would need to set general drawing quality to standart (can easily go to highest with background tho), and perhaps turn the super-sampling off, i noticed that super-sampling AA allways put a heavy weight on my graphics which is why i allways have it off (atleast in FFXIV)

my settings are the same as yours.
besides i have background drawing quality at highest, general drawing quality at standard, AA at 16xQ CSAA (i don't know if ATI is x16 tho), and S-SAA off.
i hit 60 FPS on the fields, and in towns and camps it varies between 60-30 (mostly due to the low load of GPU in towns :( )
with ambient occlusion i lose around 5-15 FPS on fields, so i can easily use it aswell without much hassle, but i prefer to have it off since i don't see a too big difference.

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indeed you're running the game rather well, i forgot that you seem to play on 3 screens

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

40 FPS seems to be pretty okay with those settings.
you could allways increase it to 60, but you would need to set general drawing quality to standart (can easily go to highest with background tho), and perhaps turn the super-sampling off, i noticed that super-sampling AA allways put a heavy weight on my graphics which is why i allways have it off (atleast in FFXIV)

my settings are the same as yours.
besides i have background drawing quality at highest, general drawing quality at standard, AA at 16xQ CSAA (i don't know if ATI is x16 tho), and S-SAA off.
i hit 60 FPS on the fields, and in towns and camps it varies between 60-30 (mostly due to the low load of GPU in towns :( )
with ambient occlusion i lose around 5-15 FPS on fields, so i can easily use it aswell without much hassle, but i prefer to have it off since i don't see a too big difference.

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indeed you're running the game rather well, i forgot that you seem to play on 3 screens

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Are you using DOF and AO?

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currently only DoF, but with DoF and AO and with the previously listed settings i can run on 55-45 FPS on fields.
FPS also get cut a lil in towns, but not as much as on fields.like 2-3 FPS less in towns.

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...0-22-39-00.png

with AO bushes/trees and other small objectss that hardly drop any shadows seem a lil darker.
it does look better, but i'm still not in for the FPS difference (also i get some random stuttering, it's not that annoying but when turning the cam for 180° it can easily happen), perhaps after a few things get optimized i'll activate it again.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

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currently only DoF, but with DoF and AO and with the previously listed settings i can run on 55-45 FPS on fields.
FPS also get cut a lil in towns, but not as much as on fields.like 2-3 FPS less in towns.

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...0-22-39-00.png

with AO bushes/trees and other small objectss that hardly drop any shadows seem a lil darker.
it does look better, but i'm still not in for the FPS difference (also i get some random stuttering, it's not that annoying but when turning the cam for 180° it can easily happen), perhaps after a few things get optimized i'll activate it again.

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Is AO worth it? Whenever i turn it on the game becomes uplayable so i can't see the difference but looking at screenshots or video i don't see the difference with it being on or off.

As for DOF, it does make a huge difference IMO.... makes the game look 100 times better and more imersive.

AO as is now, killing your FPS it's not worth it.
it does give a slight difference, but none that is worth it dropping another 5-15 fps for.

as for DoF, yes for those that can run stable with it it's worth it.
i'd still rather have a clear sight, but then again, with the textures blurrying out in the distance DoF surely does give a better view.
with General Drawing Quality and Background Drawing Quality both at highest the view with DoF is at best, but setting both on highest really drains your GPU.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

AO as is now, killing your FPS it's not worth it.
it does give a slight difference, but none that is worth it dropping another 5-15 fps for.

as for DoF, yes for those that can run stable with it it's worth it.
i'd still rather have a clear sight, but then again, with the textures blurrying out in the distance DoF surely does give a better view.
with General Drawing Quality and Background Drawing Quality both at highest the view with DoF is at best, but setting both on highest really drains your GPU.

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If SE programmed FFXIV properly and had it use your system's resources correctly, you think i could run it on absolute max settings? I mean Crysis and Crysis 2 both look better and i can run these on max settings with Eyefinity resolutions.

probably.
as much i know about AO, i think it's done by the hardware itself if the game runs on DX9, so it would enhance the performance if the game would run on DX10/11.

as for the rest, there is a lot of issues, i think it's within the crystal tools engine, but i'm no expert so i can't verify this.
running FFXIV on max settings would probably be possible, tho some of those settings are purely made to make your system bleed.
the worst of all being general drawing quality, which is actually at max if you use it at 8 (standart), setting it higher just means that the quality will be multiplied with your current desktop resolution.
running at 8 is your exact resolution, running at 9 multiplies it with x1.5 and 10 multiplies even to x2.0, so it's like running the game at x2 of your screen resolution.

but i think those problems will slowly be resolved as have others since the release.
at the release the game performed very badly on my current system, but since then it has improved with every patch and driver update.