Tank Training

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Brayfox is also a Good training dungeon. There are mechanic's in that dungeon that I see people ignore. Such as the second boss fight.

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Yeh, the level 30+ dungeons really define your party role. And one thing i like to do before beginning a dungeon is to always chat with my party members to see where their heads are at. If they've done it before, any tips/tricks, to see if they know anything.

I'm new to MMORPGs and when I played Gladiator in phase 3, it never dawned on me that I was a tank until I started doing the dungeons. I never questioned why our abilities had increased enmity. Just thought it was a standard thing and nothing unusual about needing to protect npcs. It never clearly stated what my role was or explained how enmity worked and how to read it.

I blame the game itself for the abundance of bad tanks. The game is a terrible teacher. The only way to be a decent tank is look up stuff online.

Marking targets is also a huge benefit for the tank to do a good job of managing groups. Not to mention, it helps the rest of the group (particularly DPS) learn to work as a team instead of Rambo'ing their way through mobs without a care.

As a WAR, I'd like to point out that we have two very important movements we need to make in order to be effective. Both of these will shift the position of the MOB.

1: Overpower – Need to get positioning right to make sure all adds are hit with the cone attack
2: Avoid MOB attacks – We have a 30 second cooldown on our stun, so we need to avoid a large percentage of attacks by getting out of the way.

I have to agree that the earlier dungeons and quests do not do very much to train tanks on the importance of combo attack and sequence, and if you do not have people with experience to train you, and you go into a dungeon to try to train with strangers it is brutal. I had my first bad experience inside Brayflox, to me that is the first challenging dungeon, and if you do not know the proper sequences to pull and hold aggro, then get ready for a lot of flaming and trash talk in the party a lot of the time.

I was fortunate enough after my one bad pug experience to have good friends helping me train so the many deaths until I understood my skills and boss pattern was forgiven.

I would suggest tanks try to make friends with a few other tanks and healers, and try to get a safe training party together, and NOT go into a pug for training unless you have a thick skin and do not mind people raging on you.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

I think that people from XI use it thinking it's a direct Enmity spike like XI and can use it for pulling.
that's what shield lob is for.

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This is pretty much what I thought at first but I learned on the first time using it it wasn't remotely close to XI's Provoke. Thankfully I tested the thing outside during just fighting normal mobs with my CNJ(now WHM) girlfriend. Pretty much said WTF is this? Never really used it since then but caught later on in another thread about it matching the highest enmity in the party and +1 more to get it back. While that does work, it still depends (from what I can tell) on the person with the highest enmity to not do too much for a few seconds (forever I know) so you can get true enmity back and plant it on you. I could be wrong...

This may not be the place for this but I think it would be great if Shield Lob would arc to a couple additional targets much like Avengers Shield in WoW. Would just help to grab enmity on the full mob in the event the DPS doesn't attack the same primary target as the tank.

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Originally Posted by Fahzewn

This is pretty much what I thought at first but I learned on the first time using it it wasn't remotely close to XI's Provoke. Thankfully I tested the thing outside during just fighting normal mobs with my CNJ(now WHM) girlfriend. Pretty much said WTF is this? Never really used it since then but caught later on in another thread about it matching the highest enmity in the party and +1 more to get it back. While that does work, it still depends (from what I can tell) on the person with the highest enmity to not do too much for a few seconds (forever I know) so you can get true enmity back and plant it on you. I could be wrong...

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LOL, I had such a bad time with hakkue mannor I have never been back to it. Was in a pug with a ARC,THM and CNJ. the THM only would use Fire II all the damn time. The ARC wouldn't focus on my target ever.
Provoke is useless if the DPS keep using attacks on the provoked Mob.

I had a GLA in Halatali who wasn't flashing or holding hate on multiple mobs, let alone the one he was fighting. When asked why he wasn't using Flash, he responded with "Idk I never had to use it before" -_-

I ended up tanking most of the dungeon on SMN...and no, not my pet. Me.

Nah don't train them. This way I get much more love because I'm a competent tank. Yes I realize I am being a douche :p

There's a set of instances that train you. But it's so easy to find dungeon groups as a tank even the most thick headed will eventually learn how to tank properly.

with all that time typing up what someone else needs to do, you should have just took that same time and wrote some useful tips for a tank who might be looking for some. 1/10

My advice to be a better tank: Learn to use Stun when your hate is good.
Especially on bosses, sometimes they try to do the same skill after stun and your next stun will be resisted, BUT you give time to your party to get out from the doomed area :P

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Originally Posted by Zacky

My advice to be a better tank: Learn to use Stun when your hate is good.
Especially on bosses, sometimes they try to do the same skill after stun and your next stun will be resisted, BUT you give time to your party to get out from the doomed area :P

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I love doing that... Denied access to raping my party :D
You should always try to delay mobs/bosses from hitting your party members. By whatever means.

the best advice to give to a tank... is learn the dungeon, monster and boss. know everything about them, pattern, way to avoid traps... know everything, never in a game it was as important than here.

some monster have attack you must avoid, some you must'nt avoid or better you can ignore. but all of this can only get by experience, by try and die and try and die...
our jobs as tank, is to know where lie danger and how make this danger stay far of our group.

after playing MRD to level 30 and GLD to level 20, i found that tanking with GLD is harder
it's because it lacks aoe damage, while MRD can gather mobs easier with the overpower
flash's enmity is very poor compared to overpower which do damage + increased enmity

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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

after playing MRD to level 30 and GLD to level 20, i found that tanking with GLD is harder
it's because it lacks aoe damage, while MRD can gather mobs easier with the overpower
flash's enmity is very poor compared to overpower which do damage + increased enmity

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Its not that hard with GLD/PLD. A flash every few GCD's and your golden.