Fellow WHM, please, do your job.

Bottom line - if you aren't in a party, healing yields extremely unpredictable rewards. Is it possible to garner great rewards? Absolutely! Is it predictable? Not at all. I keep the tank alive and anyone else is out of luck, I'm afraid, while I do what damage I can to up my odds. In a party, I heal, and dps when healing isn't needed. Until SE fixes the broken healing rewards system, this will continue to be the case for (I dare say) the majority of healers. In other MMO's, giving healers credit (for example) for healing a person who got a kill in PvP helped a TON. That enables healers to do what they're meant to do - heal.

As for raising, I quickly look to see if anyone needs a raise but I don't waste a lot of time searching. I don't mind people asking for a raise if they happen to be nearby, and I often will drop a heal on someone I'm passing by if they're going to bite it. I do my job so much as SE allows me to do it AND ALSO to benefit from doing it. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

This game need public raid groups, so healers can actually heal something and earn rewards during FATEs.

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^ agreed.... would help this issue a lot. It isn't the "healers" fault that they are not healing during fates and resing. They won't get the max reward that way.

I try to balance my healing and damaging. Not easy ^^;
Mostly the biggest problem I have healing during FATE's is selecting one guy out of 50. By the time you're selected, someone healed you first or you died :P
Just party up with one of us White Mages. Soooooo much easier on every level for us. Also, you get priority healing ^^ wins for all.

Another thing for WHM's, take a minute to check for dead people after a FATE. Last night 20 or whatever guys left for the next FATE after zerging one, only for me to stay a little bit longer and find a dead guy (trampled into the ground most likely) amongst it all ^^;
Reminds me of some mosh pits I've been in... hmm >_>

If I am in a party for a fate then sure, I will raise people (even out of party) on my scholar. If I'm not in a party? Then I will be on Summoner anyway because that gets golds far easier. I will toss a raise whenever swiftcast is up, but I'm not healing your healer-excluding behind.

In fact, what are the healers in your party doing anyway? Why aren't they raising you?

i heal always and i always get gold without hitting the boss or mobs

i dont know if you guys serious or trolling

Yeah i heal random people and after the fate i dont even get credit, thats just poor design. Sqaure needs to change that.

You also have to realise that most of those whms are in parties with other people, and are busy caring about the lives of their party members. That, added to the fact that there is about 500 people around means that, even if i was playing whm on fates, which i'm not, I would still care about my party members before anyone else, after all, they are the ones who will help my party get a gold off the FATE...

Can't raise bodies I can't see. And no, I have an above average machine.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

This game need public raid groups, so healers can actually heal something and earn rewards during FATEs.

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Yeah, they need to bring back the Alliance system from FFXI, but polish it up a bit interface-wise. (Taking some nods from WoW wouldn't hurt there.)
I'm honestly shocked there isn't such a system already, given how FATE's work, and how some of the biggest encounters happen in the open world..

I healed entire Behemoth fate once, from the moment it started until it ended, guess what I got? Not even bronze, healing doesn't give any credit whatsoever on Odin and Behemoth, so no thanks I'm not gonna heal you so you can get gold while I don't get shit all. Blame Square for not letting healing get contribution on the lvl 50 fates.

If full DPS groups can't be assed to invite a healer then I can't be assed raising them. If you want to stack BLM then fine by me but don't expect the WHM that didn't get invited because it would be inefficient to bother to help you.

In Ragnarok server for Odin yesterday. Half the users had the red circle / connection problem icon for about half the battle.

I can't blame a WHM if they were one of those poor individuals.

given that you can only see a few people at a time in a crowded area,how can you expect the white mages to res the DPS they may not even know is there (add to that people popping in an out of visibility)

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

I think this is not only FATE's issue but general gaming attitude issue. Normally whenever I'm on whm/acn on FATE I feel like I'm the only stupid that stays to raise everyone at the end when everyone else just buggers off to the next FATE. But then when I need a raise, I have to homepoint. Same happens when I'm travelling around and I see someone dying close to me. I have no problem at all going off my choco and toss a raise. I don't think it's even because it's my duty as job, cause I change to a job that can raise if I'm on botanist or so. I't more like lending a hand when needed if you can. I know how it can piss off when you die on your leve and loose the allowance cause you have to homepoint.

Also on instances like class quests, if I see someone dead, I raise, period. But then if I pop out dead, even if I ask for it, there's like 6 people standing there and moving, and no one raises me, so I have to homepoint again.
So yeah, it's the general attitude of not giving a f*** and minding their own business, ironic in an online game if you ask me.

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cant agree more , gotta love that even your PARTY HEALERS dont raise ppl after fates....come on toss a swiftcast rez and mount up.....

Personally I always been raising and seen people raising after almost every NM FATE... And this thread alone shows that you're not the only ones doing that...

So maybe it was just bad luck...

Healing done should be counted in a FATE just like DPS.

Probably anyone on the Mob's aggro table above a certain threshold should be counted.

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I think this is not only FATE's issue but general gaming attitude issue. Normally whenever I'm on whm/acn on FATE I feel like I'm the only stupid that stays to raise everyone at the end when everyone else just buggers off to the next FATE. But then when I need a raise, I have to homepoint. Same happens when I'm travelling around and I see someone dying close to me. I have no problem at all going off my choco and toss a raise. I don't think it's even because it's my duty as job, cause I change to a job that can raise if I'm on botanist or so. I't more like lending a hand when needed if you can. I know how it can piss off when you die on your leve and loose the allowance cause you have to homepoint. Also on instances like class quests, if I see someone dead, I raise, period. But then if I pop out dead, even if I ask for it, there's like 6 people standing there and moving, and no one raises me, so I have to homepoint again.
So yeah, it's the general attitude of not giving a f*** and minding their own business, ironic in an online game if you ask me.

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I do the same thing, though it can be just as annoying that you are midcast for raise and they Homepoint anyways. It should be obvious Im trying to raise you, I jumped off my Choco directly next to you and started casting. Most healy spells have a distinct difference from damage ones, visual wise. It sort of makes me not want to bother at times.

if a white mage was attacking they cant revive they we need to leave the area first to revive them how about them people just res with that cool ok button and come back :P

Not sure if it has been said but points are based on enmity. If you heal 400 people that have next to no mob hate (taking damage from AOE's and barely hitting the mob) you are not going to get much. Cure 1-2 people that have good mob hate and you will rake in 'credit' for the fight.

I set up a macro that targets the person the mob is beating on and heal them and get decent stuffs at the end of the FATE.

Raises don't mean a damned thing for the same reason. The person is dead. They have zero mob hate.

Even in a party I've found that Holy/Aero II spam reliably gives more XP than healing :(. I do lock target to Gorgimera/Behemoth whatever and filter to friends and tab through to see if anyone needs a raise though, mainly because it's nice when random players say "thank you" XD

How bought the Community stop selling WHM Materia for so much .............
70k-100k for 1 QuickTounge III on my server ..............

Maybe if WHMs felt Love from the Community , the WHM would treat the Community better.

20% of my MP, which I won't see again, on ressing you? Not unless you're in my party. I can only do so much before I run out of MP, and Res is a waste as far as contribution goes, sorry :(

I'll res you after though, quite happily.

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if a white mage was attacking they cant revive they we need to leave the area first to revive them how about them people just res with that cool ok button and come back :P

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You are incorrect. White Mages get the ability to raise while in combat via a Conjurer talent.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

You are incorrect. White Mages get the ability to raise while in combat via a Conjurer talent.

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Yes it's called Raise.

If I see a dead person, I rez them. If they're not loading on my screen, they stay dead. ^^ That and there's a chance the monster will deload if i target off, so if the monster is not on my screen, i'll rez. otherwise, no.

According to quite a few healers that deal with FATES the primary problem of lack of healing is not seeing players, if they can't see players they can't target them, so it's impossible to heal. This also goes for raise, obviously.

That's probably the primary reason.

But i do agree WHMs don't really get much rewards from healing only.

People have to turn off animations from other players - and only keep their party ones on.
Lower particles
Update drivers
Get better systems.

This was a huge issue with Behemoth a couple weeks ago, he'd disappear , and you couldn't find him. Once you found him you died because you went into his AE by accident.

Yeeeeah, until they make healing worth doing in FATEs (completion rewards suck) I'm probably going to keep healing my party but otherwise doing damage.

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I kind of stopped healing people in FATES as you get 0 credit for it unless you're in a group. Feel kind of bad about it, and I do try to save people from time to time, but it's not my focus.

Are we supposed to be always altruistic while everyone blows by us?

Don't get me wrong, after the FATE is over, I will raise you. I guess it's don't hate the player, hate the game.

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This. If I'm in a party, I'll heal people in my party. Otherwise, I'll heal random strangers if they look like the need at and will hold still long enough to click them. But I'm grinding fates for the same reason everyone else is - exp, seals, and occasional drops. I don't get those by taking time to res people.

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

Yes it's called Raise.

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When a Conjurer first learns Raise, you can't Raise in battle. Later on, when you level higher, you get a trait, which allows you to raise in battle.

I only just started really joining Fate parties. Almost always soloed them before, and I get much better results that way. Still not in Odin, though. xD But, the other Fates around I get gold for healing all through the battles, or holy spamming when there is no real reason to heal: ie no one really gets hit.

I will say that when I heal, I usually focus on my party more, however, if I see a tank doing their job and tanking, whether or not they are in my party, they are getting healed in Fates. xD If we have a tank in our party, obviously ours gets priority, but after them, I'd always heal the other tanks. As long as they are flashing mobs and doing their job as tank, they get healed.