Binding Coil of Bahamut Discussion

Are all jobs needed? or will we see more shitty job stacking (I really hate that)

Do all dpss work well or do you have some that is much stronger than the others in LoB?

Grats btw, great job .

Could I ask question about Job and status? I figured that only BG might already researched into this.

1. Is there a status cap? with full dark light gear and relic weapon would that make main status at near cap for level 50? I'm a WHM, and having nearly all Dark Light right now, I wonder if I should reset my +30 MND from bonus into VIT or something else if my MND may exceed cap ? (it is just my guess, but I feel like my cure doesn't improve with anymore MND atm)

2. I believe this is the question where everybody waiting for. Best gear MNK vs Best gear DRG. Who could do more DPS on single enemy boss? I believe only the best player who master all the skills and use parser program can answer this.

No stat caps as far as we can tell. Due to itemization, I would predict that if there are any stat caps implemented, they are at such a high number they will never be reached.

There are less gaps between the DPS jobs than there were in during beta phases. DRG and MNK can get very close to each other on single-target. BRD is much better than we thought from beta testing. We won't proscribe anything for others; go to training dummies and see for yourself (level 1s work fine, there is no level correction for raw damage output).

Just cleared the first turn tonight as non-legacy. Amazingly fun and perfectly tuned to push us to the limit. A really tough encounter for ilvl70 gear for sure but will become quite a bit easier for well organized groups with crystal tower stuff. Looking forward to turn 2!

Monk legs and dragoon earrings dropped
http://i.imgur.com/Zc0tWnf.jpg

Modified, Gilgamesh

so Bard is no weaker than DRG or MNK in DPS aspect? even though most people believe they become semi-support class now.

as CNJ, do you think MND is more important or VIT is more important? I heard some rumor said that VIT is better end-game wise, because the cure is pretty much overheal already, and extra point should go to VIT.

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Originally Posted by Liander

Just cleared the first turn tonight as non-legacy. Amazingly fun and perfectly tuned to push us to the limit. A really tough encounter for ilvl70 gear for sure but will become quite a bit easier for well organized groups with crystal tower stuff. Looking forward to turn 2!

Monk legs and dragoon earrings dropped
http://i.imgur.com/Jvnr13z.jpg

Modified, Gilgamesh

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Sick news. Congratulations, guys.

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Originally Posted by Alise

so Bard is no weaker than DRG or MNK in DPS aspect? even though most people believe they become semi-support class now.

as CNJ, do you think MND is more important or VIT is more important? I heard some rumor said that VIT is better end-game wise, because the cure is pretty much overheal already, and extra point should go to VIT.

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Don't misconstrue what I said; I stated that BRD is better than we thought from previous beta phases. We don't know what the optimal DPS ceilings are for every class yet. As for stat allocations, all I'll say is that damage intake across the board is very high.

Alright, thank for clarification. :)

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Originally Posted by Liander

Just cleared the first turn tonight as non-legacy. Amazingly fun and perfectly tuned to push us to the limit. A really tough encounter for ilvl70 gear for sure but will become quite a bit easier for well organized groups with crystal tower stuff. Looking forward to turn 2!

Monk legs and dragoon earrings dropped
http://i.imgur.com/Jvnr13z.jpg

Modified, Gilgamesh

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Grats fellas.

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Originally Posted by Liander

Just cleared the first turn tonight as non-legacy. Amazingly fun and perfectly tuned to push us to the limit. A really tough encounter for ilvl70 gear for sure but will become quite a bit easier for well organized groups with crystal tower stuff. Looking forward to turn 2!

Monk legs and dragoon earrings dropped
http://i.imgur.com/Jvnr13z.jpg

Modified, Gilgamesh

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Nice work guys! you've done so much so fast!

Quick question. I'm assuming there is some sort of time lockout?

I'm assuming you can't just farm turn 1 for gear etc if you get stuck on turn 2.

So if there is a lockout, how long is it/when does it reset.

I have got to hand it to SE. I was skeptical and worried going into the 50 content, but so I have been blown away by how good it is. They obviously really put care into the encounters, and they are really fun too. Excited to see what they throw at us next!

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

you guys are going ham, looks good guys.

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lol yeah you're right they have been going ham since the start.

nice work BG, is DL mixed with AF1 BiS for this raid? Thanks for your help/contribution.

edit: nvm I'll figure it out :P

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Originally Posted by Kelorae

Quick question. I'm assuming there is some sort of time lockout?

I'm assuming you can't just farm turn 1 for gear etc if you get stuck on turn 2.

So if there is a lockout, how long is it/when does it reset.

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So far through the Binding Coil already. That's some skill. I've been working towards relic, but I have yet to be able to clear Garuda Hard Mode. Most of my FC isn't up to GHM yet, so being able to get further towards entering BCOB seems a bit far off. Hopefully I'll clear Garuda sometime tomorrow to get one step closer :)

Is progress of individual turns reset each week or the entire raid as a whole?

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Originally Posted by Senzura

Is progress of individual turns reset each week or the entire raid as a whole?

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The entire zone is reset, so all 5 turns are reset and you have to clear from turn 1 again.

Even though its split into 5 turns its basically just 1 big instance.

Awesome progress guys. Gets me really excited for later on with my group. Best of luck and please keep updating!

Question about "gear check".

1. I think that coil of Bahamut require everybody to have full DL set and relic first?
2. Do you think HM primals require full DL gear for tank or not? It seem to be a big different in tank with DL and without somehow as a healer, especially WAR.

1. Speaking only to Turn 1 here. Relic weapons help immensely, especially on your damage dealers in the Coil. You probably want to have a good chunk of Darklight at this point, especially on your tank, but it is not mandatory. The green gear from Amdapor Keep is solid too.

2. Primals definitely do not require full Darklight. We had some issues with damage dealers in full AF gear surviving aoe damage, but with just a few upgrades from Amdapor and Darklight you should be fine to go.

So I'm excitingly following this thread.
How is turn 3 going? Almost got it? Progress? Wipefest? Impossible?

Really interesting to see how well the fastest FC in the world are doing in Binding Coil of Bahamut.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Question about "gear check".
2. Do you think HM primals require full DL gear for tank or not? It seem to be a big different in tank with DL and without somehow as a healer, especially WAR.

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A Warrior can tank the first two primals just fine in dungeon gear, Garuda I\\'m sure could be solo tanked but it\\'s best to use two. Paladin\\'s definitely have an advantage main tanking as far as survivability is concerned, as far as I know I think my FC is one of the only ones (Non-Legacy) to have downed Titan with a Warrior (me :-P) solo tanking, I did have most of my Darklight, a Garuda weapon and some of the most epic healers I\\'ve ever ran with, and some really amazing DPS as well. I wouldn\\'t highly recommend Warrior tanking Titan though, at least not at Darklight iLvl; it turns an unforgiving fight into a really really unforgiving fight. Hopefully they give us warriors some love so I can continue to main tank content!

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So I'm excitingly following this thread.
How is turn 3 going? Almost got it? Progress? Wipefest? Impossible?

Really interesting to see how well the fastest FC in the world are doing in Binding Coil of Bahamut.

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We cleared Turn 3 last reset but were only able to put in a little bit of time on Turn 4 on Sunday. We recleared through Turn 3 yesterday and we'll be working on 4 for the rest of the week. We also have another group working on Turn 2.

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Question about "gear check".

1. I think that coil of Bahamut require everybody to have full DL set and relic first?
2. Do you think HM primals require full DL gear for tank or not? It seem to be a big different in tank with DL and without somehow as a healer, especially WAR.

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I agree with the sentiments from Endall and Eronn. You don't have to have full DL and relics to start Coil, but they certainly help, especially on the DPS and tanks. I offtanked Turn 1 with Garuda's Gaze, Thormoen's Purpose, heavy DL hands/legs, PLD AF body/head, and ilvl 52-55 accessories, but I'm sure my healers would have preferred it if I'd had better gear.

You should be fine through Titan (Hard) with a mix of ilvl 60 greens, DL purchased from philosophy, and ilvl 70 weapons, but having relic weapons on your DPS shortens the fight, which means less time for someone to make a mistake in a relatively execution-dependent fight.

This may seem like an odd question, but does binding coil still use the same Need/Greed/Pass system or can we change it?

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This may seem like an odd question, but does binding coil still use the same Need/Greed/Pass system or can we change it?

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Yes, the same loot rolling system exists in Coil.

@Endall, Carraway

Thank a lot for the answer, that is really helpful ^^

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especially on the DPS and tanks.

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I play every class, so if it is the case that healer DL set is not as important, then I will focus on getting tank DL and Dps DL first. From what I notice myself with 40 MND higher than another healer with standard AF gear, it seem that my cure II doesn't do so much more either. But from what I see, again, that the tank with full DL seem to be much easier to cure than a tank with AF. (so that is bigger different compare to healer case). Now, I didn't know that DPS also has big different to have DL set, I guess I will need to get it down on my finding list too... I 'm going to need so much tome for these...

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We cleared Turn 3 last reset but were only able to put in a little bit of time on Turn 4 on Sunday. We recleared through Turn 3 yesterday and we'll be working on 4 for the rest of the week. We also have another group working on Turn 2.

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Thanks for replying. Great job on clearing turn 3.

When you get to Bahamut, please show us a screenshot or two of the battle arena and Bahamut :)
Would appreciate it.

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Thanks for replying. Great job on clearing turn 3.

When you get to Bahamut, please show us a screenshot or two of the battle arena and Bahamut :)
Would appreciate it.

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Who said anything about Bahamut?

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Thanks for replying. Great job on clearing turn 3.

When you get to Bahamut, please show us a screenshot or two of the battle arena and Bahamut :)
Would appreciate it.

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I'm pretty sure that Yoshi-p said that Bahamut himself is for a much later patch and that they'll simply add more Coil of bahamut related instances. Much like how crystal tower will work.

Cheers on all progress you made guys!
I was already exited to see the raid content, but after reading I got even more exited.
Man how I wish I was lvl 50 already, it's a good thing that the main story as well as exploring the world are so very awsome and rewarding in their own way.

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Originally Posted by Vydos

I'm pretty sure that Yoshi-p said that Bahamut himself is for a much later patch and that they'll simply add more Coil of bahamut related instances. Much like how crystal tower will work.

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Oh, I see. I totally missed that then, thanks.
I do remember now something about Labyrinth of Bahamut, I thought that was the same as Binding Coil.

Drive cylinder? I haven't seen thus area in game yet but is some kind of advanced spacecraft or magitek or something?

http://i.imgur.com/AyPkOcz.jpg

Modified (Non-Legacy) downs ADS, 9/4 | 10:47pm EST

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Modified (Non-Legacy) downs ADS, 9/4 | 10:47pm EST

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Awesome! Watch out, Turn-3 is ridiculous!

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Drive cylinder? I haven't seen thus area in game yet but is some kind of advanced spacecraft or magitek or something?

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Possibly similar to a Mako Reactor a la FF7?

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Awesome! Watch out, Turn-3 is ridiculous!

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Wow! You're right, this is ridiculous! T_T

Leviathan Server - Allotrophy finished turn 1. On to turn 2! wooooooo..........

This thread is nice. Let's see which of the new worlds will be the first to conquer this dungeon first, since the old world is likely to have Excalibur as representative anyway ( from the look of this thread ).

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9/5 3:55AM Eastern

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Originally Posted by carraway

No stat caps as far as we can tell. Due to itemization, I would predict that if there are any stat caps implemented, they are at such a high number they will never be reached.

There are less gaps between the DPS jobs than there were in during beta phases. DRG and MNK can get very close to each other on single-target. BRD is much better than we thought from beta testing. We won't proscribe anything for others; go to training dummies and see for yourself (level 1s work fine, there is no level correction for raw damage output).

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What do you guys think about Summoner in content like this? I have leveled mine to 50 and starting to gear out. Been hearing a lot of flack about the Job though...would you say that it's not worth bringing one to a Raid like this at the moment?