I bought the CE aswell and you don't see me complaining. I look at it this Way. $70 for the game, would have cost me well over that amount JUST for subscription.
Sure I would love more info but its not owed to me nor do I feel it is my right to demand it. Plus we all know they are currently working in the bottle Rehaul along with AA and smaller things aswell.
Patience is a really good thing to invest in at times like these.
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04-11-2011, 11:37 PMKeith_Dragoon
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04-11-2011, 11:38 PMBenjiI disagree. They should have been able to deliver a lot more than they did at release. The game was just as empty as it was in beta, nothing changed between the version were testing and the retail copy. Absolutely no content. Excuse me for expecting a lot more from a company I've come to love and trust. They do owe me something better than what I paid for and got or they've lost a longtime customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
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04-11-2011, 11:39 PMKirithI assumed nothing, i didn't even buy the game. However when i saw the reviews i was disappointed in SE as a company. Had i bought the game i would have been disappointed even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
Again, it is perfectly legitimate to say "I paid 70$ for this crap, do something to make it worth it."
If they don't do it, it will hurt them even more in the long run. Or do you think it's no big deal for them to keep all the servers up for free? They are desperate to minimize the PR impact of this failure.
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04-11-2011, 11:40 PMCorrderioAnd SE is aware of this and trying to bring the game back from the dead, you're getting a free ride until the game gets better. What the hell more do you want them to give you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirith
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04-11-2011, 11:55 PMKirithI'm not getting a "free ride". I am not a masochist, so i won't play a game i can't have fun in. Big deal having a free ride in a broken car. I have only returned around a week ago after i got told the new fixes had made this game playable, but i'm not spending my evenings in it anyway. Even the economy is broken now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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04-11-2011, 11:57 PMCorrderioThen wait for them to revamp the systems? Simple as that. I don't like the state the game is in either but I'm at least trying to make the best of it instead of coming to the forums and crying like some huge injustice has been done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirith
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04-12-2011, 12:01 AMChardrizard
i am really quite aggravated with the lack of update, last night me and few LS mates played monopoly online and thats the most fun i had this month playing an MMO..... thats saying something :(
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04-12-2011, 12:02 AMCairdeasQuote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
Thats my point. All the Final Fantasy's follow the same exact linear design but when you get to FFXIII people complain that its too Linear and doesn't play like Past FF's when it plays MORE like past FF's then FFXII did. -
04-12-2011, 12:08 AMBetelgeuzahNo it doesn't, because the "challenge" and "fun" of finding one NPC out of 100 NPC's in any given town/area is gone. Man, I loved the thrill of speaking to every single NPC just to progress the story, not to mention the excitement of having to hunt each weapon, armor and ingredient from separate shops in separate towns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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04-12-2011, 12:22 AMCorrderioPretty much every story since FF10 has been like that ever since Sakaguchi left if you ask me. Nothing really has stood out since then, just a predictable storyline with less than memorable characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
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04-12-2011, 12:23 AMBetelgeuzahIn other words... you grew up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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04-12-2011, 12:24 AMCorrderioPretty much yeah, but at the same time I'd still say characters like Cecil, Kain, Terra, etc. from the 16 bit generation were a lot more interesting than what we've had lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
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04-12-2011, 12:34 AMSirEdeonXI find the new storylines much less.. enjoyable. But it is not fair to say that FFXIII had a bad story. It was really good. But the way the game worked it, it was not the best. Many characters and situations could've been developed more, specially the villains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
But I really liked its message - how we grow up doing what people want us to do, believing in what people want us to believe, being part of a system that we take for granted, like religion and the economic system. How we believe we are free, but if we carefully look around we see everything we can do is limited. :) And Vanille was probably one of the best characters in the series... except for the voice ;P -
04-12-2011, 12:39 AMArcell
I predict 1.18 will come sometime before the end of June. What do I win?!
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04-12-2011, 12:39 AMWinterclaw
Sorry, I meant ff13 in my last post.
Anways, what I think happened is that SE decided to just tone back things like plot, character development, and story after the merge. They've been trying to make their games a little more MMO like to me, but in the process of trying to give their games an MMO feeling, they lost something important. They lost what made the FF series special.
Take kefka vs Sephiroth. Now there's an epic villain debate if there ever was one. The only reason foes like bowser and ganondorf even rank in the polls near them is they were in every game. K and S only had one game to make an impact. The villains of ff 12-13? Meh. Seymour from 10 was at least an interesting take on the main villain and it did become a little personal over time. I'd argue that he was the chief antagonist of 10 and not sin. Yuna vs Sin might have been what the story was about, but Tidus vs Seymour was what the game was about. It was Tidus's desire as the protagonist (not the main hero, which was Yuna) to save Yuna and defeat sin vs Seymour's desire as the antagonist (not the main villian, which was Sin) to kill Yuna and become sin which was the real point of conflict in that game.
Anyways I'm not sure that we grew up as fans, I think that SE left us because MMO players where the "hotter" fans for them. -
04-12-2011, 12:45 AMSirEdeonXOne of the things you'll see missing is humor. FF was always somewhat comical with huge conflicts in between. Now FF is becoming more serious. From Cloud's crossdressing, all of FFIX style, Selphie's rolling down the hill - there was always something that would make us laugh even though the world was about to end XD Some may argue that Sazh in FFXIII is the comic relief.. well it is, but only in the beginning, and it's a character, not situations ;P I can't really express myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Well.. MINIGAMES... we need minigames. And nowadays FF don't have any XD everyone should agree on this lol -
04-12-2011, 01:03 AMAlcideEhm... wich info? o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
Months ago they told us what they're working on, that's not an info. They told us they're gonna redesign the battle system and the armory system (something we were already expecting), they told us they were gonna add Companies (again, we already knew it even before the release) and then stop. The fact that we know they're working on something isn't an info, we know they're redesigning basically everything, but by now we should know what are their plans.
I agree with Alexia, content such as Chocobos and Airships should be left for a better moment, but we are talking about fixes of the basic gameplay, wich are gonna be released shortly (hopefully) and that will affect the overall game experience. Such things require time to be understood and releasing infos right before the implementetion IMHO would be a big mistake.
Just look at what happened when they changed the sp gain process in November: the only info we had was that it was gonna change, we didn't know how, we speculated it was gonna be mob based instead of action based and we were right, but nobody told us that the amount of SP per mob outside guildleves was gonna drop drastically; this led to a huge amount of complains, actually a lot of people stopped playing because of this. It took some time to realize that levelinking we could get much more SP than we were gaining with the previous system (they told us that there was a bonus for levelinking, but they didn't say it was the only way to get decent SP) but at that time a lot of players were already lost. All of the complains could have been avoided if they gave us better infos long before the update, after the patch we were just unprepared to the new system.
Wow effect works fine for content, but it's totally counterproductive for fixes to the gameplay.
Also, Tanaka had communication issues, but if I remember correctly he gave us plenty of informations about the NM long before they were implemented, he doesn't deserve all this s**t. Plus the fact that the previous producer gave less infos than Yoshi-P isn't an excuse for this silence... -
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04-12-2011, 01:07 AMCaptaindownsyndromecrap its the law scatterQuote:
Originally Posted by Melodicya
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04-12-2011, 01:10 AMOstiaHow much do you get paid for Copy Pasting ? Serious question here lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Melodicya
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04-12-2011, 01:13 AMNabiriThey already are. Started when Yoshida-san and the new team came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curjos
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04-12-2011, 01:13 AMKirithIt's always fun to see how easily fanboys start arguing over their favorite games. You can immediately see who is actually capable of objective thinking and who can only see objectivity in their own taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melodicya
Perhaps you don't realize that to do that "copy-paste" she had to read every single post in this thread, whether she was interested by it or not. (and i bet on the latter)Quote:
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04-12-2011, 01:14 AMCaptaindownsyndrome
lol this so getting locked
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04-12-2011, 01:16 AMCorrderio
I believe a lock would be the best, we already have enough threads like this.
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04-12-2011, 01:17 AMAbriaelAnd I agree with this. It's time to steer this forum again towards the constructive. if it has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
Threads like this effectively choke constructive and actually useful ones.
Edit: This too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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04-12-2011, 01:18 AMTheVedisjust lock it, and please do something about the trolls(especialy the ones who are admiting they are here only to incite people to be against SE)Quote:
Originally Posted by Melodicya
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04-12-2011, 01:19 AMEekiki
That's right! Stay on topic. This is a trolling thread, so all you're allowed to do in it is troll.
SE invested millions of dollars putting this game together. They continue to lose money on it every day while it is in this state of disrepair. Why in the world would you believe they aren't taking it seriously? -
04-12-2011, 01:20 AMCaptaindownsyndrome
yeah lock it up it just shit storm
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04-12-2011, 01:21 AMLuhyMy LS is all playing other MMOs until we have something to do. The team is either going to dump a ton of shit on us at once (in hopes that it brings people back in a huge wave, rather than little updates that wouldn't draw people back) or SE just really doesn't think of this game as a high priority as much as FFXIII-2 and Versus XIIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog
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04-12-2011, 01:22 AMBoricuaI too found 'fun' in speaking with all the NPCs in FFXI to come to know lore of the zone. Most enjoyable was the Tav. safehold, right after getting access from prommy fights. The thing is many find this tedious, whereas very few can argue against a beautifully rendered cutscene (i.e. FFXIII), that serves to perfectly detail the current situation. Even the datalogs as earlier mentioned were a perfect backup for recalling past events. The voices reinforce the storyline and immerse the player beyond a generic 'chatlog'.Quote:
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04-12-2011, 01:23 AMOstiaSo Mr.Robot, whats your opinion on the state of the game ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melodicya
Do you play ?
What's your MMO Background ?
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04-12-2011, 01:25 AMCaptaindownsyndromebe nice he just doing his jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Ostia
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04-12-2011, 01:25 AMZenaku60% of GM don't even play the game i know this for a fact from FFXI. Some know that game by heart and have there own account. But the problem this is there job there not allow to break from the rules that there giving. I knew of one GM that was in whitegate and talk all day with players i guess he was quiting the job and ended up having some fun before that lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ostia
But ya there not allow to talk like others :)
@Ostia: GM in FFXI make what 13$ a hour i think website ppl are making around 7-10$ a hour for copy/paste :) for a part time job -
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