Power supply for 25.00. Sketchy, much?

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Honestly its hard to say, The 3770k on stock cooler runs at high 30s and low 40s which is what your getting now on your cooler. What you have to keep in mind is that the 3770k naturally runs cooler and uses less power then the 860 so there is a chance that the 3770k cooler might be worse then what you have now. BUT numbers change depending on setup so you'll have to try it out to know for sure.

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LS mate got the 3770 with the standard cooler and he has temperatures around 70° celsius while gaming. He's going to get another cooler soon :x

(He said the standard cpu cooler is smaller than the ones attached to his case xD")

Ultra PSU's are cheap and have good performance.
I believe the company was taken over, by a bigger brand name, like corsair or something..

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

1156/1155 use the same heatsink I believe, had to varify by checking myself in the boxes, yes they are the exact same heatsink besides the sticker.


Just remember with the push pin ones to go in a X pattern and make sure the pins are fully seated down.

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Honestly its hard to say, The 3770k on stock cooler runs at high 30s and low 40s which is what your getting now on your cooler. What you have to keep in mind is that the 3770k naturally runs cooler and uses less power then the 860 so there is a chance that the 3770k cooler might be worse then what you have now. BUT numbers change depending on setup so you'll have to try it out to know for sure.

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LS mate got the 3770 with the standard cooler and he has temperatures around 70° celsius while gaming. He's going to get another cooler soon :x

(He said the standard cpu cooler is smaller than the ones attached to his case xD")

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Interesting, you'd think they'd either be exactly the same, or the newer one would be better.

My temps aren't running at 70 but they have spiked there. Going to see what cleaning and reapply thermal paste will do, then if no improvement, see about one of the coolers that Shura pointed me to.

Coris: This is the cooler my son uses with that CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103099 I believe he's OC'd it and his temps don't go over 50

Unfortunately it is likely too big for my case.

Once again, thank you all for your input! :) I wonder if you'll ever get rid of me lol

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LS mate got the 3770 with the standard cooler and he has temperatures around 70° celsius while gaming. He's going to get another cooler soon :x

(He said the standard cpu cooler is smaller than the ones attached to his case xD")

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Most likely a defective cooler, but from what I'm reading they average around 37-43C on idle, and high 50s and mid 60s for load. honestly I can't even remember the last time i tried stock cooler but I get the feeling intel does not really care about the stock cooler quality, majority of the people who buy these high end CPU will not use stock cooler. Even companies like HP and Dell tend to use their own cheap aftermarket cooler.

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Coris: This is the cooler my son uses with that CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103099 I believe he's OC'd it and his temps don't go over 50

Unfortunately it is likely too big for my case.

Once again, thank you all for your input! :) I wonder if you'll ever get rid of me lol

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Today he ordered this one: http://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/287
He chose it because even the stock cooler collides a bit with the RAM modules and it needed to fit in his case.
by the way, i've never heard of those TopFlow coolers before :0 I hope it will fit and will fix his heat problem

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Originally Posted by Shura

Most likely a defective cooler, but from what I'm reading they average around 37-43C on idle, and high 50s and mid 60s for load. honestly I can't even remember the last time i tried stock cooler but I get the feeling intel does not really care about the stock cooler quality, majority of the people who buy these high end CPU will not use stock cooler. Even companies like HP and Dell tend to use their own cheap aftermarket cooler.

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It's not just Intel. AMD's stock coolers are cheap too. So many people directly buy another cooler while ordering a CPU. That's what I did too. Those standard coolers are tiny and pretty noisy.



woot, 400 postings for me xD

I installed EVGA's Precision X application in order to better manage my GPU fan. Once I set it up, it auto-set my base fan to run at 40% (which before my base was 30%). Obviously there is no need for it to run at 40% without the game running (I assume?) Is there any problem just allowing my fan to run at 40% whenever I have my computer on?

Before the fan never bumped up past 40% and the GPU got up to 63-66c while running benchmark/beta. Running the benchmark today with this application, both the the fan and temps both stay in the low 50's. This is a much better situation for my GPU, right?

As for my CPU, I'll be doing that "oil change" (as I call it, just cleaning and re-thermal pasting the stock fan) to see if that will reduce my temps before going further.

I'm a bit terrified of watercooling if I get that far, you guys think that is perfectly safe? Seems crazy to put water anywhere in there :o

And one more comment/question... is it possible that increasing my GPU fan which thereby lowers the temp that the GPU stays at, can reduce the CPU temp? It almost seemed like that was happening.....


EDIT! Just noticed, when I turn off the EVGA app, the fan goes back down to it's other default speed (30%). Hmm, just have to remember to run it while I have the game on. Best of both worlds maybe?

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I installed EVGA's Precision X application in order to better manage my GPU fan. Once I set it up, it auto-set my base fan to run at 40% (which before my base was 30%). Obviously there is no need for it to run at 40% without the game running (I assume?) Is there any problem just allowing my fan to run at 40% whenever I have my computer on?

Before the fan never bumped up past 40% and the GPU got up to 63-66c while running benchmark/beta. Running the benchmark today with this application, both the the fan and temps both stay in the low 50's. This is a much better situation for my GPU, right?

As for my CPU, I'll be doing that "oil change" (as I call it, just cleaning and re-thermal pasting the stock fan) to see if that will reduce my temps before going further.

I'm a bit terrified of watercooling if I get that far, you guys think that is perfectly safe? Seems crazy to put water anywhere in there :o



And one more comment/question... is it possible that increasing my GPU fan which thereby lowers the temp that the GPU stays at, can reduce the CPU temp? It almost seemed like that was happening.....


EDIT! Just noticed, when I turn off the EVGA app, the fan goes back down to it's other default speed (30%). Hmm, just have to remember to run it while I have the game on. Best of both worlds maybe?

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could always get something like this just have to find one that would fit in your socket and put it on and your good to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181031

where you don't have to do much vs other watercooling where you have to change the water and also make sure there leaks or anything lol. But really you could just get other type of air cooling that would do the job too.

I always look at watercooling as a way to do better overclocking without worrying about temps.

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could always get something like this just have to find one that would fit in your socket and put it on and your good to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181031

where you don't have to do much vs other watercooling where you have to change the water and also make sure there leaks or anything lol. But really you could just get other type of air cooling that would do the job too.

I always look at watercooling as a way to do better overclocking without worrying about temps.

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Those sealed all in one water cooling products from CoolIT and Asetek suck compared to the real things, almost always better to get a HQ air cooler. Only the H220 and X20 from Swiftech has recently got the "set it and forget it" WC ones right.


Go for the H220, it is literally the closest thing to real water cooling till you're going to a full custom loop.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18...ng_System.html

Water cooling is overkill unless you want to do extreme overclocking IMHO. A scythe mugen will keep anything on sane temps, at least it has so far for me.

The mugen is also xbox huge and kinda tricky to install too :p

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I installed EVGA's Precision X application in order to better manage my GPU fan. Once I set it up, it auto-set my base fan to run at 40% (which before my base was 30%). Obviously there is no need for it to run at 40% without the game running (I assume?) Is there any problem just allowing my fan to run at 40% whenever I have my computer on?

Before the fan never bumped up past 40% and the GPU got up to 63-66c while running benchmark/beta. Running the benchmark today with this application, both the the fan and temps both stay in the low 50's. This is a much better situation for my GPU, right?

As for my CPU, I'll be doing that "oil change" (as I call it, just cleaning and re-thermal pasting the stock fan) to see if that will reduce my temps before going further.

I'm a bit terrified of watercooling if I get that far, you guys think that is perfectly safe? Seems crazy to put water anywhere in there :o

And one more comment/question... is it possible that increasing my GPU fan which thereby lowers the temp that the GPU stays at, can reduce the CPU temp? It almost seemed like that was happening.....


EDIT! Just noticed, when I turn off the EVGA app, the fan goes back down to it's other default speed (30%). Hmm, just have to remember to run it while I have the game on. Best of both worlds maybe?

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Ya nothing wrong with leaving the fan at 40% or even 50%; some fans might be loud but if you don't mind then all good. As already mentioned, unless you plan to do extreme overclocks, you don't need a water cooled system. I know some people like to push their systems to the limit but i personally don't overclock much so I don't bother watercooling. On Air, my temps are around mid-high 20s idle and mid 40s to 50 under load. For your system, A High quality air cooler or something like the H60/H80 in a push pull setup will be better.

Yes increasing your GPU fan can contribute to your CPU temp, if your GPU was running hot then it would of made the overall temp in the case high. Just throw the Evga APP in the Startup folder so you don't have to turn it on all the time, unless you only want to turn it up when you play games, in that case you'll have to manually launch it every time.

Good to hear your GPU temps are down, now just need to get the CPU down a bit and your all set for ARR launch.^^

Yup Precision lets you set a custom fan curve too so you can adjust the fan speed versus temps if the noise level bothers you. Just set it to start with Windows. It also has a handy on screen overlay monitoring feature that you can set up to see anything you want to know about your GPU in game.

Ahh good to hear about watercooling. Nope, I don't plan to ever overclock! It is a bit noisier but it won't bother me (like it did before) because I know exactly why it's happening, and that it is better all around for the computer. :)

As for my CPU temps, my house temp was pretty low yesterday, so that may have contributed. Hopefully the GPU fan/temp will influence it a little as well, and next week I'll get into that CPU "oil change", and possibly ordering a simple aftermarket CPU heatsink/fan if need be.

You guys are the best! Thanks again! ^^

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Simple Push-Pin Aftermarket Coolers:

Rosewill RCX-ZAIO

Rosewill RCX-Z90

Assuming your Motherboard Tray does not have a hole and your willing to take the motherboard out, then i recommend this CPU Cooler:CORSAIR Hydro Series H60

Also for Thermal Paste, while AS5 is good, there are some better options that will lower your temp by a few Cs. Here are some examples:

ARCTIC MX-4
GELID Solutions GC-Extreme
G751 Shin-Etsu This is a really good Thermal paste but is thick making it a bit more difficult to apply.
Prolimatech PRO-PK1 Currently out of stock at newegg

PK1 and Gelid seem to be getting some really good reviews, followed by Shin-Etsu then MX-4.

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Well, I've fully cleaned the heatsink/cpu connection and re-thermal pasted (twice actually, trying the Arctic silver5 that I have on hand, as well as the MX-4), and there's not really any difference. While my temps during benchmark/beta are, I believe, "safe", they are not what I think they "should" be. They are still in the high 50s/low 60s while gaming under a load that varies 15-30's%. Further, spike "max" temps range from 70-74, not that they stay there, but they've hit that once every hour or so.

I've ordered the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835200056 which looks like it will fit just fine. Also, the PRO-PK1 is back in stock, so I've order that too! Safe to say, this cooler has got to bring my temps down, right? :o

Stupid question perhaps, does the fan on this cooler blow out or draw in? And would it be better for the fan direction to be pointing down (towards the graphics card) or up (towards the top of the box - pretty much just power supply and excess cords there)? I suppose it could also point to either side? (being towards front or back of the computer) though I am not 100% sure those options would fit.

On the bottom of my side panel is a metal-meshy intake area (holes made in the case to form a screen about 2x8 inches, right in line with the graphics card, or slightly below). Other than that, no venting on the sides. The back, just below the PS (which I believe blows "out), is another case fan which blows out. I haven't checked to see how I think the graphics card fan is blowing. It's an EVGA 560

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Well, I've fully cleaned the heatsink/cpu connection and re-thermal pasted (twice actually, trying the Arctic silver5 that I have on hand, as well as the MX-4), and there's not really any difference. While my temps during benchmark/beta are, I believe, "safe", they are not what I think they "should" be. They are still in the high 50s/low 60s while gaming under a load that varies 15-30's%. Further, spike "max" temps range from 70-74, not that they stay there, but they've hit that once every hour or so.

I've ordered the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835200056 which looks like it will fit just fine. Also, the PRO-PK1 is back in stock, so I've order that too! Safe to say, this cooler has got to bring my temps down, right? :o

Stupid question perhaps, does the fan on this cooler blow out or draw in? And would it be better for the fan direction to be pointing down (towards the graphics card) or up (towards the top of the box - pretty much just power supply and excess cords there)? I suppose it could also point to either side? (being towards front or back of the computer) though I am not 100% sure those options would fit.

On the bottom of my side panel is a metal-meshy intake area (holes made in the case to form a screen about 2x8 inches, right in line with the graphics card, or slightly below). Other than that, no venting on the sides. The back, just below the PS (which I believe blows "out), is another case fan which blows out. I haven't checked to see how I think the graphics card fan is blowing. It's an EVGA 560

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Based on all the reviews for that CPU cooler, yes it does preform a lot better then the stock Intel cooler; but keep in mind that it is a push pin cooler therefore won't preform at the same level as high-end mounted coolers. (Don't mean to be negative lol)

Here is a test done which uses your CPU.

Hardware Secrets Test
Tweak News Test

You'll notice they report a 10-15C difference between the ZAIO and stock Intel cooler; Also the 2nd Link uses a older generation CPU which natively runs hotter.
In regards to which way to face the Cooler, you want the fan(front) to face the CD drive and the back to face the back fan in your case. Its an intake fan so you don't want it to intake hot air and you want your case fan to disperse the heat exhausted from the back of the heat sink outside.

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/ros...iew/img/13.jpg

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Originally Posted by Shura

Based on all the reviews for that CPU cooler, yes it does preform a lot better then the stock Intel cooler; but keep in mind that it is a push pin cooler therefore won't preform at the same level as high-end mounted coolers. (Don't mean to be negative lol)

Here is a test done which uses your CPU.

Hardware Secrets Test
Tweak News Test

You'll notice they report a 10-15C difference between the ZAIO and stock Intel cooler; Also the 2nd Link uses a older generation CPU which natively runs hotter.
In regards to which way to face the Cooler, you want the fan(front) to face the CD drive and the back to face the back fan in your case. Its an intake fan so you don't want it to intake hot air and you want your case fan to disperse the heat exhausted from the back of the heat sink outside.

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/ros...iew/img/13.jpg

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Once again, thank you for your excellent information, Shura! :D

This is exactly what I needed to know, and it looks like it will fit just fine in that position. The one thing I guess will find out when the cooler arrives, is just how this push-pin thing works. The stock cooler is in there with screws, no push pin situation. Hope the push-pin mount thing works with those sockets that the stock cooler was screwed into, assuming it will - it must be pretty standard.

I am just now realizing ....that the fan's job is to cool the heat sink; the heatsink's job is to cool the CPU. The fan is not there to directly cool the CPU. Duh! That is why this stock cooler, or anything that even looks like a stock cooler, makes pretty much no sense! The fan needs to be perpendicular to CPU to blow that air it draws from the heatsink it in an entirely different direction. Sheesh! Well I guess it's fine for every day computer use but not video games.

Getting a great education here^^

Hmm something I just thought of, do you know how much more power supply use it will need compared to the stock cooler?

My stock Dell PS was 350 watts. When I changed from the 240 video card to the 560, I upgraded to 650w PS. (more than enough for that upgrade).

That's the only hardware change I've made other than this new cooler.

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Once again, thank you for your excellent information, Shura! :D

This is exactly what I needed to know, and it looks like it will fit just fine in that position. The one thing I guess will find out when the cooler arrives, is just how this push-pin thing works. The stock cooler is in there with screws, no push pin situation. Hope the push-pin mount thing works with those sockets that the stock cooler was screwed into, assuming it will - it must be pretty standard.

I am just now realizing ....that the fan's job is to cool the heat sink; the heatsink's job is to cool the CPU. The fan is not there to directly cool the CPU. Duh! That is why this stock cooler, or anything that even looks like a stock cooler, makes pretty much no sense! The fan needs to be perpendicular to CPU to blow that air it draws from the heatsink it in an entirely different direction. Sheesh! Well I guess it's fine for every day computer use but not video games.

Getting a great education here^^

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Hmm.. this is a bit concerning; when i checked on the Dell XPS 8000, it said it used push-pin cpu coolers but after reading what you mentioned above, i looked deeper and it seems some models did use screws to mount the cooler. While it is still possible to install the CPU cooler you ordered, if the stock was screwed in then chances are that motherboard has a backplate installed, which you might have to remove.

Any chances you can post some pictures of your heatsink and if possible see if you can take the opposite side panel off.

Also, again i don't mean to be negative but see if your order has already shipped, if it has not canceling the order might be a good idea until we sort of what type of mounting your board needs. Though you can still use the one you ordered, it might require you to access the back of the motherboard to remove a backplate. The whole reason i recommended the push-pin was so you wouldn't have to but if your gonna be forced to do it anyway, there are better coolers.

I Apologize, i should of made sure what the mounting solution was on your current PC, i did not realize XPS 8000 had two different models with different mounts. :(

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Hmm something I just thought of, do you know how much more power supply use it will need compared to the stock cooler?

My stock Dell PS was 350 watts. When I changed from the 240 video card to the 560, I upgraded to 650w PS. (more than enough for that upgrade).

That's the only hardware change I've made other than this new cooler.

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Air cpu heatshinks hardly use any energy, it's only when going into custom water cooling to power a water pump is when there really some notable energy use but even then it's really not something to worry over.

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I Apologize, i should of made sure what the mounting solution was on your current PC, i did not realize XPS 8000 had two different models with different mounts. :(

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Dell always does weird things like that so it's not surprising.

Should barely use any more power, if any more at all, than the stock fan.

And yes, the fan just cools the heatsink. :p

First of all, NO WORRIES :) I appreciate all you've done. It's just a $15 fan. We'll get it figured out ^^

Here's pics:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...underneath.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...tockcooler.jpg

So the reason for potentially having to remove backplate is so that it doesnt get knocked out of position and go loose? Just trying to understand. No worries at all :D

PS I'm happy to use this fan you've recommended, regardless of efforts necessary to get it in, it will be a great improvement. I have concerns with size of any other better fans, as you can see inside this case lol.

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First of all, NO WORRIES :) I appreciate all you've done. It's just a $15 fan. We'll get it figured out ^^

So the reason for potentially having to remove backplate is so that it doesnt get knocked out of position and go loose? Just trying to understand. No worries at all :D

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Backplates allow you to screw down aftermarket coolers, this is also supposed to give your heatsink better sealed contact with the CPU. For huge aftermarket coolers, push-pin alone is not strong enough to hold the heatsink in place when moving the PC and such. Now Intel uses push-pin stock coolers, which is cheap and easy to install so most boards come with holes that allow for a push-pin cooler to fit. Aftermarket coolers come in different sizes and different mounting solutions such as screws, clips and twist locks; they also usually come with a backplate you can install to support the required mounts. Here is an example of a backplate for screws; something like this is probably install on the back of your motherboard to support your cooler.

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...te_zoom_sm.jpg

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...ckplate_sm.jpg

If its to late to cancel it then we can try the cooler and see how it preforms but if its not too late, then i do recommend you cancel it. There are better hard mounted solutions that are not necessarily bigger Another concern i have is regarding the quality of your existing cooler; I recommended the ZAIO under the assumption that you had a stock Intel Cooler. What you have is most likely some kind of aftermarket Dell cooler and the difference in performance is hard to gauge now. Again i apologize for the inconvenience; ;

Im curious would it hurt to try to install it as a pushpin and see if it worked? Im interested to try pushpinning in the stock intel cooler which is brand new that I have from my son's that is leftover.

Or is it just a completely different mounting system that will not work with a pushpin cooler?

If we are forced into this mounting system at this point and must remove the mb, then what cooler (s) do you recommend that would still be as small? (im not wanting to do water cooler)

Sorry for multiple post im on phone and keep thinking of questions lol

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Or is it just a completely different mounting system that will not work with a pushpin cooler?

If we are forced into this mounting system at this point and must remove the mb, then what cooler (s) do you recommend that would still be as small? (im not wanting to do water cooler)

Sorry for multiple post im on phone and keep thinking of questions lol

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NP, You could try one corner of your Intel push-pin cooler to see if it fits, don't force it in. The hole will probably be too small though if there is a backplate installed.

If its not to late to cancel then i would recommend something like the XIGMATEK Loki. On the test i linked to on the other page, it performances 4C better then the Zaio and also uses a 92mm fan; this design also allows you to upgrade just the fan to a higher quality one if you choose to do so at a later time.

You get what you pay for.

Wonder if I should just order a new case

Wonder if I should just order a new case

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Wonder if I should just order a new case

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I don't want to be that car mechanic you go to for an oil change but end up getting charged for other things you probably did not need. In this case, if money is not an issue, a new case will not hurt you and on top of increasing air flow within the case, it will also give you more options for CPU coolers. A good case will also give you access to the back of the motherboard without having to always take it out and can last you several builds.

Again due keep in mind that this is if money is not an issue and you want to upgrade; if money is an issue or you don't feel like upgrading then your current case, while limited is still okay.

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I don't want to be that car mechanic you go to for an oil change but end up getting charged for other things you probably did not need. In this case, if money is not an issue, a new case will not hurt you and on top of increasing air flow within the case, it will also give you more options for CPU coolers. A good case will also give you access to the back of the motherboard without having to always take it out and can last you several builds.

Again due keep in mind that this is if money is not an issue and you want to upgrade; if money is an issue or you don't feel like upgrading then your current case, while limited is still okay.

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Yeah I think this will be my best option. Seems like im going to have to take this case apart just to change the cooler lol. It will help in every way. The cost is not a big deal. What case and cooler now lol? And i know a case I order needs to be able to properly fit/mount my current mobo...

I do not hold you at all responsible, you're just trying to help and I totally appreciate it! You cant help this crazy Dell build. :D

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Yeah I think this will be my best option. Seems like im going to have to take this case apart just to change the cooler lol. It will help in every way. The cost is not a big deal. What case and cooler now lol? And i know a case I order needs to be able to properly fit/mount my current mobo...

I do not hold you at all responsible, you're just trying to help and I totally appreciate it! You cant help this crazy Dell build. :D

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If you don't mind waiting, i want to do a bit more research on your motherboard to make sure its compatible with custom cases, Hopefully I'll have the information for you by tomorrow at the latest. There are some issues with using Dell board in other cases; i found one person who did it but used a XPS 8100 so it does look promising but just want to make sure before you spend your money this time.

In the mean time, try looking at some different cases on newegg, find some designs you like and such, since it comes down to your preferences; your motherboard is similar to a mATX so pretty much any case will be able to hold it.

Is there somewhere/some way I can look on my computer and it shows exactly what mobo is in there, like in device manager with other hardware details, or a dxdiag?

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Is there somewhere/some way I can look on my computer and it shows exactly what mobo is in there, like in device manager with other hardware details, or a dxdiag?

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Its probably this one:

http://www.stuartconnections.com/300...oard-X231R.jpg

http://www.ascendtech.us/mmASC/Images/DP55M01.JPG

If this is not your motherboard let me know

I will check in a few hours when I get home and post as soon as I know. Thanks!

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NP, You could try one corner of your Intel push-pin cooler to see if it fits, don't force it in. The hole will probably be too small though if there is a backplate installed.

If its not to late to cancel then i would recommend something like the XIGMATEK Loki. On the test i linked to on the other page, it performances 4C better then the Zaio and also uses a 92mm fan; this design also allows you to upgrade just the fan to a higher quality one if you choose to do so at a later time.

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The only drawback to that particular HS is the TIM application, the popular pea method won't work with direct heatpipe HS. Jelly would have to make sure to use the horizontal line method with it and avoid AS5 with it at all costs.....that crap is hard enough to spread on flat base HS, it's a nightmare with direct heatpipe ones.

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Its probably this one:

*mobo pics*

If this is not your motherboard let me know

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Ok back home and ready to report. First, I decided not to bother attempting to install the pushpin Intel because it just seems a better route altogether to just get a new case, which will allow a proper cooler, and be better all around. If I have to take the thing apart, I might as well make better improvements.

I do believe you have found my motherboard. Here's some pics I took and I think you should be able to view them full size by right clicking and opening in new window:

Inside side of case:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...PCOpencase.jpg

Closer view of mobo:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...rboardview.jpg

Back of case:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...backofcase.jpg

I rotated and cropped them in photobucket but the changes aren't showing up here. Oh well >.<

Anyway, hopefully you can recommend case(s) and cooler(s) now. Will the case I get need to have the power supply mount on top because of the position of my graphics card, or will the whole thing just shift?

Many thanks! :)

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Ok back home and ready to report. First, I decided not to bother attempting to install the pushpin Intel because it just seems a better route altogether to just get a new case, which will allow a proper cooler, and be better all around. If I have to take the thing apart, I might as well make better improvements.

I do believe you have found my motherboard. Here's some pics I took and I think you should be able to view them full size by right clicking and opening in new window:

I rotated and cropped them in photobucket but the changes aren't showing up here. Oh well >.<

Anyway, hopefully you can recommend case(s) and cooler(s) now. Will the case I get need to have the power supply mount on top because of the position of my graphics card, or will the whole thing just shift?

Many thanks! :)

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Ya it looks like the same one, the size is similar to a mATX board so should be able to fit in majority of the cases on the market. Cases come in all shapes, sizes and prices so what kind of parameters should i take into account? You can also look at some case designs on newegg and link the ones you like; i'll go over them and let you know whats good and if it suits your motherboard. This would also give me an idea on what your design preference is like so i can look for similar designs.

Now for CPU coolers, what kind of budget should i work around? now that your going with a direct mounted options, there are a lot to choose from and again them come in different sizes and price. I'll make sure ti pick out ones that will fit whichever case you end up going with so it really comes down to budget. Been looking at a few reviews at work but i'll be able to narrow it down once i know the above information.

Well if jelly is looking for a HQ heatsink that's quiet and not huge, and sticking to the mATX form. You can't go wrong with Thermalright's AXP-100.

http://www.amazon.com/AXP-100-Design.../dp/B00AKO0WCW

I have it in my "portable" gaming PC, does a great job cooling an 3570k.


Here's a review for it btw:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1347211/t...howed-up-today

There's obviously cheaper alternatives though like what's listed below in the item page's related items section.

Is mATX the same as mini-ATX? And if so, is there any other detail I need to look for in a case so that it works with what I have to put in it?

I assume then almost any of the "mid-tower" cases would work for me?

As for coolers I honestly have no idea where to start. Cost isn't a big deal but I would think around/under $100 for case and $50-$75 for cooler?

My main concern is that what I have plus the new cooler fits easily and simply into the case. So for me the simplest installation cooler that will fit with my mobo/new case. Also I am not picky about the aappearance of the case or cooler.

I'm at work now posting from home so unable to "shop" lol. I will be able to shop/post more later. Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Well if jelly is looking for a HQ heatsink that's quiet and not huge, and sticking to the mATX form. You can't go wrong with Thermalright's AXP-100.

http://www.amazon.com/AXP-100-Design.../dp/B00AKO0WCW

I have it in my "portable" gaming PC, does a great job cooling an 3570k.


Here's a review for it btw:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1347211/t...howed-up-today

There's obviously cheaper alternatives though like what's listed below in the item page's related items section.

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The performance for price ratio on that cooler is not worth it. Right now I'm thinking of recommending the Xigmatek Dark Knight II Night Hawk Edition costs $20 less then the AXP-100, is 9C cooler on idle and 18C cooler under load.

Thermalright AXP-100 Test Results

While it is a bit taller then the AXP-100, if she is also getting a new case then its not a big problem and compared to other air coolers in the similar performance range, its small.

Now that i know your price range, i'll start looking for cases.