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12-28-2012, 08:18 AM
Vilhem

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Originally Posted by DarkkenMoneybags

I would like to know why the Alpha forums are still up, running and not closed? ARR: alpha client is closed now, they should close the alpha forums as well. They need to send those pitbulls over here to these forums to get a chocobo stomping.

The forums have been closed for awhile now. Still possible to peruse them if you have access tho.

And yes, there is a Beta client that technically *could* be demo'ed, but they still have to apply all the fixes and feedback issues they received from Alpha testers. This is why there's the inbetween delay from offline Alpha to start of Beta. :3
12-28-2012, 08:38 AM
Keith_Dragoon

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Yea, good points. Personally, I am too old for strict party build requirements (i.e., 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps) but also like defined job roles and difficulty. If there were more jobs/classes, say 3-4 per role, then I wouldn't mind the traditional party set ups. But I hope I don't stand around waiting for a healer or tank in 2.0. Maybe they can do it by armor type (so heavier armor classes/jobs can tank) albeit not as good as GLA/PLD.

There will be a content finder for almost everything you'd form a party for except level grinds which is just an alternative way of leveling.
12-28-2012, 08:57 AM
Wynn

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Originally Posted by DarkkenMoneybags

I would like to know why the Alpha forums are still up, running and not closed? ARR: alpha client is closed now, they should close the alpha forums as well. They need to send those pitbulls over here to these forums to get a chocobo stomping.

A large number of the people on the alpha forums can't post here because they weren't actually playing 1.0 XIV. You lose access to these forums if you hadn't logged into XIV in 30 days, even if your service account is still active. Probably why we haven't had a crapstorm about legacy players getting into beta phase 1 yet. Pretty much the only people left on the lodestone forums are legacy people. LOL
12-28-2012, 09:12 AM
Hanemakikaze

inb4 all DD standing around for 45min+ while healers & tanks get instant parties with content finder like every other mmo.
12-28-2012, 09:25 AM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Hanemakikaze

inb4 all DD standing around for 45min+ while healers & tanks get instant parties with content finder like every other mmo.

Bound to happen cause you have like 90% of the population wanting to play dps, and the other 10% playing tank or healer.
12-28-2012, 09:30 AM
stanleyyoung

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Bound to happen cause you have like 90% of the population wanting to play dps, and the other 10% playing tank or healer.

thats good for me, i like being a tank, next is support finally dd when i need a break or just wanna relax. nice to know (hopefully) in 2.0 i will be much in demand better to have that then the opposite.
12-28-2012, 09:32 AM
Alerith

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Originally Posted by Hanemakikaze

inb4 all DD standing around for 45min+ while healers & tanks get instant parties with content finder like every other mmo.

I find this acceptable.

Also, the video looks phenomenal. I have no doubts this is gonna be the epic FF game it should have been. Looking forward to seeing further refinements in Beta.
12-28-2012, 10:05 AM
Warlock

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Originally Posted by Oriana

god the game right now is still sux alot of people fall sleep playing the alpha test, yes it looks nicer but the battle system sux, and super easy to play hope they fix alot of things in the beta because if they dont good bye for this game and it will be the end of it

http://i.imgur.com/4UiFU.gif
12-28-2012, 10:24 AM
stanleyyoung

that "Troll Dar" will be 100% effective and very welcomed on these forums!
12-28-2012, 10:41 AM
Zehira

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Originally Posted by Warlock

http://i.imgur.com/4UiFU.gif

hahahahaha I love that gif.
12-28-2012, 10:47 AM
vax

I don't think this will happen on XIV, at the beginning of the game at least, there are a ton of warriors and some paladin.
12-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Hanemakikaze

After playing tera & wow, trust me wanting to play a DD class gets very old very fast when seeking a party with dungeon finder. This robot chicken clip comes to mind when I seek party as DD after dungeon finder first went into full effect on those games and slowly saw the reality of it(as a dps/dd).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Z3lmidmrY
12-28-2012, 01:52 PM
Zezlar

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Originally Posted by Warlock

http://i.imgur.com/4UiFU.gif

We may not see eye to eye on every issue, but that was pretty funny I must admit.
12-28-2012, 09:17 PM
Seirra_Lanzce

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Bound to happen cause you have like 90% of the population wanting to play dps, and the other 10% playing tank or healer.

im so lucky to be the person who like to tank/heal xD
12-29-2012, 03:17 AM
Gidonoidon_Sur

My hope is you won't have to be a TANK role to actually tank. Perhaps jobs with heavy armor can tank, although not as effectively as jobs designed to TANK. Same with healers. Otherwise there is bound to be a shortage since there is only 1 dedicated healer at the moment and the armoury system forces traditional white magic (Cure, Protect, Regen, etc) into WHM-specific thereby not allowing other roles to use it. Guess that all could change with rebalancing.
12-29-2012, 04:38 AM
Alerith

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

My hope is you won't have to be a TANK role to actually tank. Perhaps jobs with heavy armor can tank, although not as effectively as jobs designed to TANK. Same with healers. Otherwise there is bound to be a shortage since there is only 1 dedicated healer at the moment and the armoury system forces traditional white magic (Cure, Protect, Regen, etc) into WHM-specific thereby not allowing other roles to use it. Guess that all could change with rebalancing.

God, I hope not. This is the current issue with XI. Paladin is on the backburner because every other melee job short of DRK is capable of tanking a good majority of the content. And SE refuses to give PLD any sort of true, comparable DD potential out of fear of making it immortal and broken. (Which is a fair argument considering the capabilities of XI PLD).

I'd rather WAR and PLD be the specific tanks and the only ones capable of tanking things.
12-29-2012, 04:55 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Alerith

God, I hope not. This is the current issue with XI. Paladin is on the backburner because every other melee job short of DRK is capable of tanking a good majority of the content. And SE refuses to give PLD any sort of true, comparable DD potential out of fear of making it immortal and broken. (Which is a fair argument considering the capabilities of XI PLD).

I'd rather WAR and PLD be the specific tanks and the only ones capable of tanking things.

Totally agreed. Games that don't necessitate a specific tank class normally suck big time and have battles that lack depth in a major way.

On a side note, good to see that they brought Mindflayers back.
12-29-2012, 10:16 AM
Warlock

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Totally agreed. Games that don't necessitate a specific tank class normally suck big time and have battles that lack depth in a major way.

On a side note, good to see that they brought Mindflayers back.

This is one of the few things i don't like about SE...they refuse to accept the Tank concept of other games that keep a monster's attention 100% no matter what...
12-29-2012, 10:24 AM
Kirito

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Originally Posted by Warlock

This is one of the few things i don't like about SE...they refuse to accept the Tank concept of other games that keep a monster's attention 100% no matter what...

Well having this ability makes a good tank... it promotes mediocre players to practice and become great players...
12-29-2012, 10:25 AM
Firon

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Originally Posted by Warlock

This is one of the few things i don't like about SE...they refuse to accept the Tank concept of other games that keep a monster's attention 100% no matter what...

I like fighting for my hate quite fun.
12-29-2012, 10:37 AM
Warlock

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Originally Posted by Firon

I like fighting for my hate quite fun.

It's fun but in this FFXI re-used system of hate cap that is reached much faster by optimal geared DDs ..not so much...they need to give PLD abilities that caps hate faster than a WS or a nuke can specially in ARR that DDs will start fights with full TP ..and also give PLD a hate cap 10-20%+ bigger than the rest
12-29-2012, 10:40 AM
SkyeWindbinder

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Originally Posted by Warlock

http://i.imgur.com/4UiFU.gif

LOL!!!!!

Gif is genius!
12-29-2012, 10:49 AM
Alerith

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Originally Posted by Warlock

It's fun but in this FFXI re-used system of hate cap that is reached much faster by optimal geared DDs ..not so much...they need to give PLD abilities that caps hate faster than a WS or a nuke can specially in ARR that DDs will start fights with full TP ..and also give PLD a hate cap 10-20%+ bigger than the rest

To be honest, while I'm at the front lines of the Paladins in XI that are screaming for a revision to the hate system...

It works just fine in XIV. Spirit's Within does it's job beautifully, and a lot of the hate control is in the Paladin's hands (outside of fights with stupid hate resets.)

In fact, I'm unaware of a hard enmity cap in this game. BLMs keep nuking, DRGs keep WS'ing and I keep hate.
12-29-2012, 11:25 AM
Zumi

I guess we will see in FFXIV if more people are willing to play tanks/healers in FFXIV. Wonder if it will even be a issue the shortage of tanks/healers in every other mmo today. Given that most everyone seemed to of leveled the majority of jobs to 50.

Have a current WoW sub playing MoP, and dps wait time around 30-45 min queue in raid finder. Healers get instant queues. Dungeon finder isn't as bad around 15 min dps wait but tanks/healer get instant queues. People actually complain about this none stop how DPS have longer queue times, but thats just the player bases fault for playing more DPS then tank or healer.
12-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Alerith

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Originally Posted by Zumi

People actually complain about this none stop how DPS have longer queue times, but thats just the player bases fault for playing more DPS then tank or healer.

Very, very true.

If you're not willing to play the tank or healer, then don't complain when they get insta-queue'd
12-29-2012, 11:37 AM
stanleyyoung

to add also most ppl don't know how to play healer and tank correctly or just don't want to play them(which for the most part comes from them not knowing how to play it), so complaining about not getting invites or waiting forever really does no good when you don't offer much more then the next guy.
12-29-2012, 07:41 PM
Firon

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Originally Posted by Alerith

To be honest, while I'm at the front lines of the Paladins in XI that are screaming for a revision to the hate system...

It works just fine in XIV. Spirit's Within does it's job beautifully, and a lot of the hate control is in the Paladin's hands (outside of fights with stupid hate resets.)

In fact, I'm unaware of a hard enmity cap in this game. BLMs keep nuking, DRGs keep WS'ing and I keep hate.

I agree with this but, I also feel like voke and flash was a tiny bit under powered should have given more hate.

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