Alpha First Look: Video 6 – Gathering and Crafting

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

didn't really understand the gathering. It looks like you just click what you want and get it???

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Exactly.. I can't believe how many people are getting behind this and tagging it as "fun"....

Really? You want x, go up to tree and get x... So hard, so much fun... Why not just make it a vending machine

They didn't show how tree's share a global cool down and the crazy competition/qq it sparks.... or they also don't show any of the abilities you get beyond the first one....

I like how the crafting was streamlined without changing too radically from the original system. Gathering though, seems... oversimplified.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

Exactly.. I can't believe how many people are getting behind this and tagging it as "fun"....

Really? You want x, go up to tree and get x... So hard, so much fun... Why not just make it a vending machine

They didn't show how tree's share a global cool down and the crazy competition/qq it sparks.... or they also don't show any of the abilities you get beyond the first one....

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and what's wrong with gathering materials, instead of playing mini game? what's fun with wasting time, randomly gathering materials you dont need? it was vending machine before too, except with additional junk you dont want. i'm sure you still will anyways, cause i assume not all materials can be found in any 1 area.
they also didnt show all the lancer skills either, what's your point? they wanted to show what crafting and gathering looks like; not skills, or people QQ over nodes.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

and what's wrong with gathering materials, instead of playing mini game? what's fun with wasting time, randomly gathering materials you dont need? it was vending machine before too, except with additional junk you dont want. i'm sure you still will anyways, cause i assume not all materials can be found in any 1 area.
they also didnt show all the lancer skills either, what's your point? they wanted to show what crafting and gathering looks like; not skills, or people QQ over nodes.

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See I agree. In 1.0 I didn't mind that you had to discern what it was based on the amount of bar it had. If bar is in area 4 at start, chop in section 3, notch 4 to get a log. Chop....ash branch..wtf? I don't have the ingredients to make stuff with an ash branch, I'm planning to make stuff with logs ARGH.

The video shows 80% on all the items so I'm assuming that you click what you want and each item has an 80% rate of drop. Now I can specifically target my ash logs and continue whacking away. Yes I might miss, like that guy missed on the wind shard, but it looks like you've got at least 5 harvests so there's plenty tries. ME LIKEY!

To the guy saying it's a vending machine. Now we may have a vending machine, but before we had a put your quarter in and hope you get what you want. Because if you didn't use third party sites to figure out what you wanted, you weren't getting it. Which I didn't mind, but some people may.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

and what's wrong with gathering materials, instead of playing mini game? what's fun with wasting time, randomly gathering materials you dont need? it was vending machine before too, except with additional junk you dont want. i'm sure you still will anyways, cause i assume not all materials can be found in any 1 area.
they also didnt show all the lancer skills either, what's your point? they wanted to show what crafting and gathering looks like; not skills, or people QQ over nodes.

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I don't like to be spoon fed content. Maybe you do. They replaced gathering with a no skill vending machine. I guess that's fun...

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

...Yes it is, actually...

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Actually I have not seen this anywhere, they say "you will not disclose propitiatory information before it is officially revealed" that means information that belongs to SE, or what you see in game, nowhere does it even hint upon you not being allowed to tell people you are in the test.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

I don't like to be spoon fed content. Maybe you do. They replaced gathering with a no skill vending machine. I guess that's fun...

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How about a physics problem for every gather, that do you?

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Originally Posted by Genjuro

See I agree. In 1.0 I didn't mind that you had to discern what it was based on the amount of bar it had. If bar is in area 4 at start, chop in section 3, notch 4 to get a log. Chop....ash branch..wtf? I don't have the ingredients to make stuff with an ash branch, I'm planning to make stuff with logs ARGH.

The video shows 80% on all the items so I'm assuming that you click what you want and each item has an 80% rate of drop. Now I can specifically target my ash logs and continue whacking away. Yes I might miss, like that guy missed on the wind shard, but it looks like you've got at least 5 harvests so there's plenty tries. ME LIKEY!

To the guy saying it's a vending machine. Now we may have a vending machine, but before we had a put your quarter in and hope you get what you want. Because if you didn't use third party sites to figure out what you wanted, you weren't getting it. Which I didn't mind, but some people may.

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ya, and worst case scenario in 1.0 was trying to get catalysts, if you didnt visit some site, and knew they only drop in Thanalaan. i gathered like 300+ nodes in Limsa trying to get any. so either visit a site, or explore all nodes in the world, printing down what they drop :) im thinking it will still be like that, so you'll need to go to a specific map, to get some certain material. but at least you'll see that you CAN get it.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

I don't like to be spoon fed content. Maybe you do. They replaced gathering with a no skill vending machine. I guess that's fun...

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Then you can close your eyes and push the down button at random and hit the x button. It's the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

ok, i'll go back into hiding then :)

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Just hope that SE decides to ignore this little slip up, or else you're getting the boot.

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Originally Posted by Genjuro

Then you can close your eyes and push the down button at random and hit the x button. It's the same thing.

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Which is what all you will be doing after you fall asleep after an hour of this..

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

I don't like to be spoon fed content. Maybe you do. They replaced gathering with a no skill vending machine. I guess that's fun...

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ya being spoonfed stuff you dont like is much better, just for the sake of feeling special?
you're still gonna need to grind up your class level, and fail to gather a lot. so you're overdramatizing things.
It didnt need any skill before, you just needed to know what nodes dropped what, and where to chop. but if making a simple timed chop is skill to you...well good for you that you enjoyed that.
Actually it was easier before, since you ALWAYS got something if you knew where to chop. now it's X% chance, so you'll always risk not getting anything.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Just hope that SE decides to ignore this little slip up, or else you're getting the boot.

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No one has told me how saying your in the test is SE propitiatory information yet, explain to me how that is the case and I will shut up about it.

Not enough whining in this thread yet. The other video threads had way more complaining, let's try to keep things up to standard.

On topic, I like what I'm seeing with gathering. My inventory filled up items I didn't want half of the time, so it's good to be able to narrow down items you'd actually want to gather, whether it's to sell or to use yourself. It looks like the Triangulate ability shows all nearby gathering nodes, and when he used Arbor Call, it searched out the highest grade node in the area, even though it wasn't on his immediate minimap. The XP chains seem like a nice addition too.

As far as the mini-game going away, I could really care less. It seemed more like one of those early measures implemented to combat RMT as far as I'm concerned, and I eventually memorized where each thing was anyway, so it's kind of a moot point to have it.

For crafting, the recipe book is a GREAT addition. Based on the character they showed crafting, it looks like by level 9 you have two abilities for crafting already, one that raises quality and another that restores some of your CP. Durability is no longer 100 on every item and it seems the durability varies between the items they picked to craft. It also looks like the durability goes down by a static amount of 10 each time. I also like the completion log they were showing by checking off the recipes they've already made. I imagine completing my crafting logs for all my crafts will be something to pass some time.

Anyway, I'm happy with what I'm seeing for gathering and crafting overall. It looks way more accessible and faster paced now.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Just hope that SE decides to ignore this little slip up, or else you're getting the boot.

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i doubt it. it wouldnt be good for their testing plans to test server stability, if they banned everyone who even mention being in alpha...

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i doubt it. it wouldnt be good for their testing plans to test server stability, if they banned everyone who even mention being in alpha...

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They do ban for NDA breaches, and take it very seriously, but no one can tell me how mentioning you're in alpha is a breach of the NDA, it's never mentioned.

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As stated in the "FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Tester Agreement," testers are prohibited from publicizing any proprietary information related to the Alpha Test on external sites. In the event that we confirm that infringement has occurred, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.

We will announce if and when Alpha Test-related details can be publicized, so please take great care in their handling until they have been made public. For feedback and discussions between testers, please use the dedicated tester forum, which will open at a later date.

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Made it easy for you all, here is the entirety of the NDA, how in any way does it say people cannot say they are in the NDA?

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Not enough whining in this thread yet. The other video threads had way more complaining, let's try to keep things up to standard.

On topic, I like what I'm seeing with gathering. My inventory filled up items I didn't want half of thetime, so it's good to be able to narrow down items you'd actually want to gather, whether it's to sell or to use yourself. It looks like the Triangulate ability shows all nearby gathering nodes, and when he used Arbor Call, it searched out the highest grade node in the area, even though it wasn't on his immediate minimap. The XP chains seem like a nice addition too.

As far as the mini-game going away, I could really care less. It seemed more like one of those early measures implemented to combat RMT as far as I'm concerned, and I eventually memorized where each thing was anyway, so it's kind of a moot point to have it.

For crafting, the recipe book is a GREAT addition. Based on the character they showed crafting, it looks like by level 9 you have two abilities for crafting already, one that raises quality and another that restores some of your CP. Durability is no longer 100 on every item and it seems the durability varies between the items they picked to craft. It also looks like the durability goes down by a static amount of 10 each time. I also like the completion log they were showing by checking off the recipes they've already made. I imagine completing my crafting logs for all my crafts will be something to pass some time.

Anyway, I'm happy with what I'm seeing for gathering and crafting overall. It looks way more accessible and faster paced now.

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ya especially since inv is much smaller now too. it would be horrible to get random loots clogging up inv all the time.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

I don't like to be spoon fed content. Maybe you do. They replaced gathering with a no skill vending machine. I guess that's fun...

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How exactly are you linking inconvenience with skill? 1.0 is NO different then the video. Except the theory craft and speculation is no longer needed...

You see you NQ gathering result %
And under it is the HQ gathering result %
So you know if you gear is helping you, holding you back and so on and so forth...

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Originally Posted by Delsus

They do ban for NDA breaches, and take it very seriously, but no one can tell me how mentioning you're in alpha is a breach of the NDA, it's never mentioned.



Made it easy for you all, here is the entirety of the NDA, how in any way does it say people cannot say they are in the NDA?

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Oh i know they ban ppl for posting pics and videos etc, that isn't official info yet. but yah, not for simply saying you're in alpha, that would be odd.

As far as picking what you are going for on the list and failing and getting nothing... Where does it show/say in the video that you get nothing? I didn't see him fail any of his attempts in the video. Maybe you get nothing, maybe you get a random item. Has the Dev team confirmed either way? I don't know, so I am asking :)

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

As far as picking what you are going for on the list and failing and getting nothing... Where does it show/say in the video that you get nothing? I didn't see him fail any of his attempts in the video. Maybe you get nothing, maybe you get a random item. Has the Dev team confirmed either way? I don't know, so I am asking :)

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ya maybe you get random item from failing synthesizing too ;D
No but he did miss getting a wind shard, and it says : you got nothing :)

Both gathering and crafting look like a lot more fun. can't to try it out.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

They do ban for NDA breaches, and take it very seriously, but no one can tell me how mentioning you're in alpha is a breach of the NDA, it's never mentioned.
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Made it easy for you all, here is the entirety of the NDA, how in any way does it say people cannot say they are in the NDA?

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Actually, the entirety of the NDA is at: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...a=1&tag=tester

Here's the rule:

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2.6 Alpha Tester’s Confidentiality Obligations:
Confidential Information” shall mean...(d) THE IDENTITY OF ALPHA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT ALPHA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE ALPHA TEST

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Hope that clears it up for you.

Every oversimplified measure taken will benefit the majority in a diverse community. This is because with a varied game where you can do many different things, only a small portion of the players will be excited about a specific content. You can't have everyone enjoy everything. This is why in every topic brought up where things have been made easier, there are millions saying how they now love it, and a few saying how dumbed down and oversimplified, not fun it is. The question is, is this the only way to please the majority, or is it even the right way?

To me this benefits the lazy and creates a community of uninterested carefree players. Of course more players will enjoy gathering and crafting now that's faster and easy. Of course NOW it seems better and they might actually give it a shot, when they didn't in the past. But is it really saying something when that happens to someone who didn't care about crafting at all? Do we really want a person who does not care about crafting to be a crafter, no matter the cost? Do we want them interested in it, or just doing it?

Oversimplified systems make lazy uninterested people do content they don't like, simply because it's easy. But it doesn't get them any more interested in it. When you are interested in something, you work on it. If 1.0 was that bad, we wouldn't have so many players doing it. This is not to say it didn't need improvements, such as remembering the recipes, having the menus respond faster, etc. But it had some challenge, some work to be done, which kept interested players in and uninterested players out. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but too easy is just as bad as too hard.

On another note, "could care less" means you actually care a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Darshu

Every oversimplified measure taken will benefit the majority in a diverse community. This is because with a varied game where you can do many different things, only a small portion of the players will be excited about a specific content. You can't have everyone enjoy everything. This is why in every topic brought up where things have been made easier, there are millions saying how they now love it, and a few saying how dumbed down and oversimplified, not fun it is. The question is, is this the only way to please the majority, or is it even the right way?

To me this benefits the lazy and creates a community of uninterested carefree players. Of course more players will enjoy gathering and crafting now that's faster and easy. Of course NOW it seems better and they might actually give it a shot, when they didn't in the past. But is it really saying something when that happens to someone who didn't care about crafting at all? Do we really want a person who does not care about crafting to be a crafter, no matter the cost? Do we want them interested in it, or just doing it?

Oversimplified systems make lazy uninterested people do content they don't like, simply because it's easy. But it doesn't get them any more interested in it. When you are interested in something, you work on it. If 1.0 was that bad, we wouldn't have so many players doing it. This is not to say it didn't need improvements, such as remembering the recipes, having the menus respond faster, etc. But it had some challenge, some work to be done, which kept interested players in and uninterested players out. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but too easy is just as bad as too hard.

On another note, "could care less" means you actually care a little bit.

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You're basing all of this around characters at level 10 too. Who's to say there won't be recipes as difficult to create at max level like the class specific weapons/armor in 1.0? As far as I'm concerned, these are quality of life improvements. I genuinely liked crafting and gathering prior to seeing these changes, and this video just showcases improvements to the systems overall.

Also, saying this is going to attract players that don't care about crafting or gathering isn't necessarily true. Maybe people felt 1.0s systems were too cumbersome to bother with, but in other games they actually liked to participate in gathering/crafting. When you compare it to other games out there, (even FFXI) the crafting and gathering systems were kind of over the top in 1.0. However, I feel they needed a bit more depth than just clicking a button and creating something or clicking on a node and gathering something because they were made to be fully fledged classes rather than hobbies.

Yoshi-P has kind of overshadowed this somewhat even though he left them as classes, but he's already said that supplying people with mats and gear are going to be their primary content now, versus Tanaka's vision of having them more involved with the storyline and stuff.

Darshu.
I'm an Alchemist, I have it at 50. I have spent untold amounts of time crafting, I made a point of getting the one craft my LS missed, despite the fact I did that even when potions were vastly useless, there were actually about three potions I made at all (enmity potions and elixirs).
I like crafting, I got every craft to 10 for the abilities before the crafting reform.

Yet, I still think that the new system is vastly better. It's a clear evolution of the reforms that happened already. Notice how the three abilities were 'advance progress', 'advance quality' and 'restore durability'. They cost CP instead of being one-shot moves, this definitely makes for a far more fun and, actually, possibly even more complex game. It becomes less about fighting with the RNG and more about playing a game of resource management.

First, I dont think it is against NDA to talk about crafting and gathering now that they have released stuff about crafting and gathering. They could very well have said they can disclose stuff about it now too. What the NDA agreement says is stull true, but it also says 'until we say you can do so'. Just let the big dogs handle it if they shouldn't be talking about it.

Now to gathering... thank the twelve the gathering points have names on them now so they will be easier to see from the distance than just a sparkle. EXP chaining addition is nice too! Note that he isn't burning away that GP from normal gathering. I remember some people talking like it would be the new gather fatigue from watching yoshida do gathering in his version, but maybe it changed since then and thats good. Doesn't seem to be any uneccisary downtime from just chopping away normally.

And then he ends it with 2 unneccisary jumps just to annoy the anti-jump crowd ^^.


I like how you can be at 0 duribility and still get a successful craft completion as long as progress maxes out at the same time. Always hated getting trolled by 0 duribility 100 progress fails. Looks like a decent chance to HQ an item at low levels too. Starting at 1% for 0 quality is good. Cant wait to try out some higher level ARR crafting.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Actually, the entirety of the NDA is at: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...a=1&tag=tester

Here's the rule:


Hope that clears it up for you.

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OK all I asked for I was wrong and I will shut up about it now.

Back on topic, crafting and gathering seems like it could be a lot more fun than 1.0, no more minigame that can be impossible if you hit any lag at all (seriously gathering during rain could be impossible at times) no more filling your inventory with rubbish only to find when you hit something you want your bag is full, and it tells you success rates.

There's one thing about the crafting I don't understand. WHY show the number of steps you've taken to perform your synthesis? Seems rather unnecessary when all it seems you have to do is fill the green bar for completion and the blue one to have a shot at HQ'ing an item.

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Originally Posted by mbncd

Sadly, I think the gathering is more of a random chance thing now and there's no guarantee of getting anything. Before there was always a great chance of getting at least something (even if it wasn't the item you wanted, you could sell it or use it for something else, whatever) if you simply knew how to read the remainder bar for that area, but the new gathering system will mean a lot of pointless misses with no positive result at all... As a crafter who levelled all of my crafts together, I could often use the things I wasn't aiming for too. Old system: aiming for ore and miss? Fine, I can use that alumen for LTW. New system: aiming for ore and miss = get nothing...

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Or aiming for lightning rocks, but getting yellow-dye >_> It kinda works both ways, but at least now it's hit or miss. I enjoyed getting some extra electrum while mining for gold, but I would've been much happier walking away more chances for hq gold than a dozen wild swings.

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Originally Posted by Darshu

Every oversimplified measure taken will benefit the majority in a diverse community. This is because with a varied game where you can do many different things, only a small portion of the players will be excited about a specific content. You can't have everyone enjoy everything. This is why in every topic brought up where things have been made easier, there are millions saying how they now love it, and a few saying how dumbed down and oversimplified, not fun it is. The question is, is this the only way to please the majority, or is it even the right way?

To me this benefits the lazy and creates a community of uninterested carefree players. Of course more players will enjoy gathering and crafting now that's faster and easy. Of course NOW it seems better and they might actually give it a shot, when they didn't in the past. But is it really saying something when that happens to someone who didn't care about crafting at all? Do we really want a person who does not care about crafting to be a crafter, no matter the cost? Do we want them interested in it, or just doing it?

Oversimplified systems make lazy uninterested people do content they don't like, simply because it's easy. But it doesn't get them any more interested in it. When you are interested in something, you work on it. If 1.0 was that bad, we wouldn't have so many players doing it. This is not to say it didn't need improvements, such as remembering the recipes, having the menus respond faster, etc. But it had some challenge, some work to be done, which kept interested players in and uninterested players out. It doesn't have to be rocket science, but too easy is just as bad as too hard.

On another note, "could care less" means you actually care a little bit.

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Well spoken.

The thing is, those that are interested in it will find ways to always be interested in it. Even being "dumbed down," dedicated crafters and harvesters will incorporate what they know and love into making their craft more efficient and effective. Those that only fiddle, most likely won't take that time.

For example: I am a melee person I play melee jobs. I don't like playing mage job, BUT there are some nifty things that I would like to have for survivability. Therefore I will take up a mage job but only half-assed, and solo, till I get what I want and then I'm done.

Same model can be applied for those that aren't interested in harvesting or crafting. They might take it up but to hone in other traits such as profit margin, research on markets to see what sells and what is competitive, availability of certain items and such, they might not even take into consideration. They might take up one or two things, but the entirety of the knowledge of a crafter and harvester goes beyond just crafting and harvesting.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

There's one thing about the crafting I don't understand. WHY show the number of steps you've taken to perform your synthesis? Seems rather unnecessary when all it seems you have to do is fill the green bar for completion and the blue one to have a shot at HQ'ing an item.

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It's to keep track for the abilities that are for "3" turns you have +100% more quality etc. Quiet often when I'm only half paying attention, I forget which turn I'm on.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

the crafting/gathering is one of the best of any mmo around now ;)

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IMO FFXIV crafting and gathering has always been better than every other MMO. Its just going to be less of a hastle in ARR now.

Gathering minigame, I will not miss you. Not even a little bit. :cool:

As usual, thanks for the video!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

didn't really understand the gathering. It looks like you just click what you want and get it???

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...What's so hard to understand

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Originally Posted by Reika

Now to gathering... thank the twelve the gathering points have names on them now so they will be easier to see from the distance than just a sparkle. EXP chaining addition is nice too! Note that he isn't burning away that GP from normal gathering. I remember some people talking like it would be the new gather fatigue from watching yoshida do gathering in his version, but maybe it changed since then and thats good. Doesn't seem to be any uneccisary downtime from just chopping away normally.

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The GP are skill costs like CP for crafting.
If you look at the skill descriptions it say GP cost: 0
I'm sure we learn more skills with different GP costs with higher level.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

There's one thing about the crafting I don't understand. WHY show the number of steps you've taken to perform your synthesis? Seems rather unnecessary when all it seems you have to do is fill the green bar for completion and the blue one to have a shot at HQ'ing an item.

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It could be that on more difficult recipes if you do too many steps the recipe might go unstable or do that aetheric sparking like in 1.0. It might be a risk vs reward type thing of gauging when is the best time to try to finish the craft.

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Originally Posted by Felis

The GP are skill costs like CP for crafting.
If you look at the skill descriptions it say GP cost: 0
I'm sure we learn more skills with different GP costs with higher level.

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Yea for advanced gathering. Normal gathering, clicking on what you want to gather, doesnt cost GP. people were worried that they would not be able to gather if their GP ran out, but that is not the case.

I don't think Crafting now is vastly better than it was, at least not until I try it, but I agree it has some improvements. I don't dislike the new CP system, and I don't think it has been dumbed down as gathering has. Synthesis in general has been dumbed down in the past, more than once, but that isn't relevant anymore. I was speaking about the overall over simplification of systems in order to cater to a broader audience as opposed to making that system more complex and interesting to people who really want to do it. Did you take up Alchemy because you really enjoy crafting, because you were really into being an Alchemist, because you identified with its craft? Or did you do because it could become useful in the future? Was it a hassle you managed to get through with persistence and will power, or was it fun?

I'm not arguing 1.0 was a lot of fun or ideal, I'm arguing it can be made to be. And it doesn't have to be easy to be fun. At all. How can I make crafting and gathering more fun than the game allows it to be? Interested crafters will only be annoyed at how easy anyone can be a high lv crafter. In XI it was a time consuming ordeal, but it still kept the amateurs apart from the professionals. Unless you were really persistent or you thought you could make a lot of money out of it, you wouldn't take it past 30 if you didn't enjoy it.

I'll give you a different perspective: I never enjoyed crafting in past games. I did a bit of crafting in every game I played, but it never felt fun. It was boring, repetitive, sometimes necessary, but over all another grind I wasn't interested in.

I started XIV with Byregot as my protector god thing, and took Armorer up to 10 before any other job. Crafting in XIV was very unique, unique enough for me to really feel I was accomplishing something rather than doing some dull work for gear. Of course, with all of its shortcomings it was almost impossible to bear lvling it up past 20, for a long time. Mainly because the market was stupid and recipes were much harder than they should be, requiring higher lv materials from other crafts. But the minigames, to me, were fantastic, and creating weapons and armors out of complicated recipes, when I had the possibility to acquire them, was way more rewarding than in any other game. I genuinely think I could have become, in this game, a high lv crafter, possibly my main focus due to the prospective future of me not being able to play as much.

I had not realized gathering had the same CP mechanism, though, so it might in the future become a somewhat more engaging activity.

PS: perhaps what I meant was engaging instead of fun, as has been pointed out in this forum by someone before.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

Which is what all you will be doing after you fall asleep after an hour of this..

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Actually from the looks of the new system, after an hour I will have gotten all I need for the day and moved on to something else instead of still blindly trying to meet the quota I set for myself for the day.

Casual gathering should be casual. If you want low level NQ items, one click and BAM you get it... this system is great for people who don't want to spend a whole lot of time gathering low level or NQ mats they need and filling their inventory with useless junk in the hours it takes to get just 1 stack of what they were actually aiming for!!

*takes a breath*

That said, there should be another level for HQ. This would be for all the people who spent HOURS hunting HQ darksteel which gather rate was a 14% if you stacked yourself to the gills with perception on a GOOD day. And that's just among darksteel. You would have 2 stacks of NQ darksteel by the time you got one stack of HQ steel and that was doing good??? Not to mention that hoards of other crap you gathered like zinc.......

Don't even get me STARTED on low level mats in high level areas.

*takes 2 breaths* Ok Hiir just keep it together... let the memories fade...

*ahem* HQ gathering should be like HQ crafting, methodical, sensible, and most of all, intentional. We should be able to gather HQ mats the way we make HQ items, with a bar, with abilities, with skill.

Ok I'm done now...