UI/action bar question...

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

I don't see why Zumi's statement is seen as dumb. The XI style menu, though it was usable, took a lot of button pushes to navigate through, regardless of how fast you were at it. Bad players are bad players, but a good player going through a menu with tons of button pushes is going to be slower then a good player who has to push one thing to access something.

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As said bad players are bad players regardless of what's in front of them. This is pretty much the whole "controller vs M&K" argument as well, where people say:

"Controllers players are naturally worse than people who use mouse & keyboard."

In all honesty though, I've seen some pretty terrible people in MMORPGs using this setup just as much as any other setup. It's the exact reason SE incorporated macros, which both sides of the fence utilized and more games are starting to introduce ;p So you can't really say someone's performance will be hindered heavily/a lot when there's people being pretty bad with the most efficient setup in front of them and again, i honestly seen worse M&K players than gamepad players which GP is basically emulating "menu navigation".

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't recall playing with anyone named Elexia in 11, there was almost a Zumi on every server I play on Phoenix

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As do I.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This is pretty much the whole "controller vs M&K" argument as well, where people say:

"Controllers players are naturally worse than people who use mouse & keyboard."
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So you can't really say someone's performance will be hindered heavily/a lot when there's people being pretty bad with the most efficient setup in front of them and again, i honestly seen worse M&K players than gamepad players which GP is basically emulating "menu navigation".

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Oh yeah I agree with this, I was just staying in an ideal situation, one is technically faster then the other when giving two players with who are skilled. I used a gamepad in 1.0 because I felt more comfortable with it, but I knew that i could technically become faster with my skills/abilities if I were to have been equally as comfortable and skilled with a mouse and keyboard just because there is less button pushes needed.

If a player prefers menus and for some reason plays faster/better with them by all means do so.

The XI menu system was a lot slower and clunky at times, but I would still use it to this day if I could.