Reflecting on SWTOR and XIV

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11-03-2012, 04:53 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Jadi

Yep.. soooo.. your just gonna keep posting right?

I'm sure you'd like me to stop. Everyone dislikes when someone demolishes his argument. But thanks for demonstrating that you can't counter what I say. :D
11-03-2012, 04:53 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Ah, the little petty art of the personal attack

Which is something you do well.
11-03-2012, 04:53 AM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Jadi

One of the big things I think XIV has in favor of WoW and SWTOR is that you can be any class. (actually several types of the same class now with jobs.) This gives you more attachment to your character identity something SE seems to feel strong about. I love this feature.

I actually don't really mind the 1 class per character in other MMOs. Mainly cause I like making different characters let them be different races and genders. To me it was more fun playing different races and looking characters rather then the same one all the time. Guess its just a preference thing.
11-03-2012, 04:55 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I actually don't really mind the 1 class per character in other MMOs. Mainly cause I like making different characters let them be different races and genders. To me it was more fun playing different races and looking characters rather then the same one all the time. Guess its just a preference thing.

Pretty much, especially since more MMOs (asian ones at least) are adapting the multiple class per character model now, though still kinda limited.
11-03-2012, 04:58 AM
Jadi

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm sure you'd like me to stop. Everyone dislikes when someone demolishes his argument. But thanks for demonstrating that you can't counter what I say. :D

I've heard you know that sometimes on the internet people disagree with one another and that it's ok to do so. Your free to believe what you will man and I got no malice against you. Just be alright dude and your true to your ideas so thats good too.
11-03-2012, 05:01 AM
Jadi

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I actually don't really mind the 1 class per character in other MMOs. Mainly cause I like making different characters let them be different races and genders. To me it was more fun playing different races and looking characters rather then the same one all the time. Guess its just a preference thing.

Yea.. maybe we can get a way to alter ourselves somewhat.. currently there is gear to do so. And you know I'm also thinking that when you want to change your role for a class/job not only do you have the job stone to change but you modify your gear as well.. it's all very flexible but it takes time investment to get all the situational gear accumulated.
11-03-2012, 05:02 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Jadi

I've heard you know that sometimes on the internet people disagree with one another and that it's ok to do so. Your free to believe what you will man and I got no malice against you man. Just be alright dude and your true to your ideas so thats good too.

I'm sure. The problem is that what constitutes gameplay mechanics and what is just content isn't really a matter of opinion.

A cutscene is content. The fact that you can influence the outcome of the cutscene by selecting a dialogue options (or by pressing the right key in a quicktime event, or by having built up points towards a certain outcome in previous choices, or in the main ways you could do such a thing) is a mechanic.
11-03-2012, 05:11 AM
Jadi

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm sure. The problem is that what constitutes gameplay mechanics and what is just content isn't really a matter of opinion.

A cutscene is content. The fact that you can influence the outcome of the cutscene by selecting a dialogue options (or by pressing the right key in a quicktime event, or by having built up points towards a certain outcome in previous choices, or in the main ways you could do such a thing) is a mechanic.

You've said that like three of four times
11-03-2012, 05:13 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Jadi

You've said that like three of four times.

Yep, because you don't seem to understand it, so I'm trying harder to explain, for the sake of education.
11-03-2012, 05:13 AM
Jadi

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yep, because you don't seem to understand it, so I'm trying harder to explain, for the sake of education.

I don't think it's really insightful enough or complex to require such repetition.. do you?
11-03-2012, 05:15 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Jadi

I don't think it's really insightful enough or complex to require such repetition.. do you?

Yep. I do, considering that the differences between two games are the base of this whole topic.
11-03-2012, 05:19 AM
Jadi

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yep. I do, considering that the differences between two games are the base of this whole topic.

Umm alright... Well best keep at it then I guess mate. I'll get you a soap box..
11-03-2012, 05:21 AM
Deakka

Animation lock, ability delay, and the complete lack of end game killed SWTOR. Also adding 5 minutes of cutscenes just for you to go outside and kill 5 whomp rats /=/ revolutionary. They had a good idea and a great license, but failed on the follow through. The ME dialogue wheel doesn't translate very well into MMO's. You can't have everlasting consequences in an MMO (like alignment switches from good to evil, or order to chaos) without breaking the game, thus the choices are purely cosmetic.

Also, I saw some mention of sandbox MMO's as being the future in this thread. That's always been the delusion. Sandbox MMO's are almost exclusively niche products. They may be the best thing in the world, but they draw upon such a small audience. You have to give new players some direction in order to get them hooked and keep them subscribing. The best would be a mix of theme park leveling/end game, and sandbox elements sprinkled in elsewhere. Get people in with an enticing story and familiar controls, keep them sucked in with the sandbox elements afterword. Player housing, chocobo raising, and things of that nature will appeal to the sandbox crowd.
11-03-2012, 05:21 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Jadi

Umm alright... Well best keep at it then I guess mate. I'll get you a soap box..

Why, thank you.
11-03-2012, 05:24 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Deakka

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Also, I saw some mention of sandbox MMO's as being the future in this thread. That's always been the delusion. Sandbox MMO's are almost exclusively niche products.

This is, unfortunately, rather true. I am absolutely in love with ArcheAge after trying the beta. I know I'll play the hell out of it as soon as it makes the trip to this side of the world.

But I also know that it'll never be a smash hit. Most gamers love instant gratification, and that's what theme park MMOs offer.

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