What I noticed in the character creation video.

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11-01-2012, 02:27 AM
bobbygunz

People don't realise that by saying "it's alpha" they're actually just agreeing with people who say "it can be improved".

It's so futile these debates when everyone's just agreeing with eachother and don't realise it.
11-01-2012, 05:49 AM
RoosterAgathos

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Where have I heard this before?

You heard it in the game that you apparently never stopped playing. Go sit in the corner and eat your glue.
11-01-2012, 05:56 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Where have I heard this before?

The difference is this time they've actually told us there will be more options when last time testers just assumed there would be.
11-01-2012, 06:28 AM
Yucie

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Originally Posted by Elexia

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiUmRujYUrA
2. We can't really determine this until we're playing, but we do know they're making this a standard MMO, so good chance it will play and flow like every other MMO in the past 7 years.

Alpha really means little as you don't really see such a large gap of changes between Alpha and beta (ignoring the obvious), you'll see some different stuff like more shaders and a few more options here and there, but Alpha is pretty much what the final game will be like as the alpha for XIV ARR is a stress test more than a bug finding mission which means they're very confident in the design they have completed.

Btw, there's already a feature in XIV 1.0 that allows you to use other race's hairstyles that isn't active, that will likely be the "more choices for hairstyles" that get put in by late beta or after launch.

We have FAR MORE to worry about if they spent longer than a few months on the CC.

lol PSO2, a game that will die within months because of SEGA being bad at handling a game, especially in the west.

The difference between these two CCs is this main fact; PSO2 uses mostly unisex animations and rigging, pushing uniqueness in race and gender aside so that people can have silly sliders to make people as tall and thin as trees, or short and really round midgets.

FFXIV's character creator is realistic, and judging by the alpha so far, will boast a large number of features to choose from by the time everything is done and implemented. Races and genders will be unique, while games that give up such things will make every character share pretty much the same animations.
11-01-2012, 06:29 AM
Yucie

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

People don't realise that by saying "it's alpha" they're actually just agreeing with people who say "it can be improved".

It's so futile these debates when everyone's just agreeing with eachother and don't realise it.

It's alpha. It's alpha. It's alpha.

In case your reading comprehension escapes you, they've already confirmed that features for the CC will be greatly expanded upon in upcoming builds.

But lets just be broken records. lol
11-01-2012, 07:36 AM
Gramul

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

You heard it in the game that you apparently never stopped playing. Go sit in the corner and eat your glue.

Just saying, careful when throwing that phrase around. We where promised many things when it was in alpha the first time and none of that fell through.

Hell, we where promised that whole earth spire thing would appear as meteor began to alter the whole field of energy as a part of the end of the world event, and that never came through.

Just don't use it as an excuse.

And I'll have you know, I eat no simple schoolyard glue. I dine on only the finest industrial grade adhesives from France.
Merci beaucoup.
11-01-2012, 08:44 AM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Elexia

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiUmRujYUrA

Aren't we lucky that FFXIV: ARR doesn't look that crappy...
11-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Warlock

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Aren't we lucky that FFXIV: ARR doesn't look that crappy...

For real lol
11-01-2012, 09:12 AM
Abriael

Also, extremely free slider character creation is VERY overrated. What it generates is exactly what happened in PSO2, with horribly deformed characters making for the 50% of the game's population.

I don't know about you, but I'm interested in playing FFXIV, not Rocky Horror Picture Show Online.
11-01-2012, 09:18 AM
Shougun

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Also, extremely free slider character creation is VERY overrated. What it generates is exactly what happened in PSO2, with horribly deformed characters making for the 50% of the game's population.

I don't know about you, but I'm interested in playing FFXIV, not Rocky Horror Picture Show Online.

I dont care about the sliders - I saw the sombrero and I mentally rage quit the video.. lol

Would be like torches lighting a space station >.>
11-01-2012, 10:05 AM
Punainen

I like the zillions of new voice options even though we didn't get to hear them...but knowing there's way more is good.
11-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Almalexia

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

People don't realise that by saying "it's alpha" they're actually just agreeing with people who say "it can be improved".

It's so futile these debates when everyone's just agreeing with eachother and don't realise it.

No one has ever in the history of video games has used "alpha" in agreement. "Alpha" is used to shut down discussion and criticism on the presumption that things will substantially change over the course of development. There is no guarantee things will change. There is no guarantee SE is even listening to us. But we can be sure they aren't psychic, so saying nothing at all benefits nobody.

We have literally nothing to lose by saying this or that should be improved/implemented, regardless of development stage.
11-01-2012, 10:34 AM
Wynn

The single best argument against "it's alpha" is quite literally Final Fantasy XIV.

So it is funny that this community still hasn't learned its lesson.
11-01-2012, 10:37 AM
Shougun

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The single best argument against "it's alpha" is quite literally Final Fantasy XIV.

So it is funny that this community still hasn't learned its lesson.

It's gamma.
11-01-2012, 12:43 PM
RoxyLalonde

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Originally Posted by Shougun

It's gamma.

I want this as my sig
11-01-2012, 01:18 PM
Radnar

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1. The amazing amount of IMPROVEMENT in character creation. (don't think so? please show me one that looks better)

I'm glad you're happy with the character creator right now, but I'm actually wondering what was different about it from the 1.0 character creator. We got more voices, tail-length customization, bust-size/build textures and.... ? (That's really not a whole lot, especially since all but one of those things was already in 1.0 to a limited extent)

Almost every current-gen MMO (PSO2, GW2, Tera, etc) has a better / more customizable character creator than the build of the 2.0 character creator that was in that video. Personally I found it pretty underwhelming.
11-01-2012, 01:19 PM
Ganbachi

It's all nice and all. I don't mind, but the Character creation in Dragon's Dogma is 100 folds better than this.
11-01-2012, 01:20 PM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Radnar

I'm glad you're happy with the character creator right now, but I'm actually wondering what was different about it from the 1.0 character creator. We got more voices, tail-length customization, bust-size/build textures and.... ?

Almost every current-gen MMO (PSO2, GW2, Tera, etc) has a better / more customizable character creator than the build of the 2.0 character creator that was in that video. Personally I found it pretty underwhelming.

But remember, based on some people, the graphics in those games < FFXIV ARR so XIV wins by default with the better Character Creator.

It's an improvement over 1.0s, that alone should make people happy, but they want more and more and if you say to show you a better one..there's plenty of even F2P MMOs out there with better CC, but like every MMO, something is really good (CC for example) while something suffers horribly (grind heavy if you don't spend real money.)
11-01-2012, 03:34 PM
Tetsaru

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Originally Posted by Elexia

But remember, based on some people, the graphics in those games < FFXIV ARR so XIV wins by default with the better Character Creator.

Ehh, graphics alone don't make a game. FF14 1.0 was pretty, yeah, but as we all know, it sucked when it first came out. Granted, nice graphics and awesome CG cutscenes is SE's forte... I mean, just look at the Agni's Philosophy tech demo.

And then you have games like Minecraft, which at default settings look like an advanced NES 8-bit game... and you find out that people played it more than Modern Warfare 3 on the 360 last week. Personally, this makes me very happy because I love Minecraft and its creativity options, and I hate the Call of Duty series with a passion because it's nothing but uninspired militaristic FPS games that came about due to Halo's popularity and the other mass influx of FPS's around the beginning of the 360/PS3 era, and are starting to become shovelware even though people still mindlessly buy into them during the holiday seasons and don't give enough market share to other good games being released around the same time...

*takes deep breath* /endrant

ANYWAY...

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see a wide aesthetic variety of characters like these:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...001028_051.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...235855_033.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...rTDudeface.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...063503_011.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...211829_000.jpg

And even as crazy as this:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...000352_045.jpg

...rather than eventually see a bunch of equally sized and proportionate characters that look nearly identical and all have on the exact same armor sets because they're currently the best in the game right now. Granted, if they give us vanity slots, then that'll help out immensely.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

lol PSO2, a game that will die within months because of SEGA being bad at handling a game, especially in the west.

Lol... I understand where you're coming from. I played PSU on the PC/PS2 servers... :(

I'm cautiously awaiting the US release and HOPING they'll be caught up in content with the Japanese servers. If they don't, then it'll be PSU all over again. If only they'd release an official English language patch, then I'd just play on the JP servers since they went to F2P...
11-01-2012, 04:21 PM
bobbygunz

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

No one has ever in the history of video games has used "alpha" in agreement. "Alpha" is used to shut down discussion and criticism on the presumption that things will substantially change over the course of development. There is no guarantee things will change. There is no guarantee SE is even listening to us. But we can be sure they aren't psychic, so saying nothing at all benefits nobody.

We have literally nothing to lose by saying this or that should be improved/implemented, regardless of development stage.

I know. And the people saying "it's alpha" are basically just reiterating your point that it needs improvement. Secretly. They don't realise it, but secretly it's what theyre technically saying.
11-01-2012, 04:29 PM
indira

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The single best argument against "it's alpha" is quite literally Final Fantasy XIV.

So it is funny that this community still hasn't learned its lesson.

they said the same 2 years ago too, it wont be buggy at launch and we all remember how that went.
im pertty sure it will be better this time but if we dont see it dont expect it.
11-01-2012, 10:35 PM
RoosterAgathos

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The single best argument against "it's alpha" is quite literally Final Fantasy XIV.

So it is funny that this community still hasn't learned its lesson.

speaking of lessons learned.. why do you still play? if you all you see if fail? Call me crazy but if i thought any p2p game was/is going to suck... i wouldn't pay for it.
11-02-2012, 12:56 AM
Wynn

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

speaking of lessons learned.. why do you still play? if you all you see if fail? Call me crazy but if i thought any p2p game was/is going to suck... i wouldn't pay for it.

Don't make assumptions. Nothing in life is black and white.

The point is that to say "it's alpha" instead of questioning things you might be concerned about is foolish when we have already learned the first time that it was a major mistake for people to say that. Better to express concerns and be wrong than to say nothing at all and get handed something similar to what we got in September 2010.

One can be loyal to SE and the Final Fantasy brand and not act like an ostrich with its head in the sand.
11-02-2012, 01:13 AM
Shougun

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

speaking of lessons learned.. why do you still play? if you all you see if fail? Call me crazy but if i thought any p2p game was/is going to suck... i wouldn't pay for it.

Crazy, so /tell me maybe.
11-02-2012, 01:36 AM
Gramul

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Don't make assumptions. Nothing in life is black and white.

The point is that to say "it's alpha" instead of questioning things you might be concerned about is foolish when we have already learned the first time that it was a major mistake for people to say that. Better to express concerns and be wrong than to say nothing at all and get handed something similar to what we got in September 2010.

One can be loyal to SE and the Final Fantasy brand and not act like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Pretty much this.

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