Bullying on FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Blacklist the fool, dude.


Yeah, that ain't gonna fly. Animosity is one of the best and worst parts of the internet. Take it away and people get pissed. Gotta take the good with the bad. Thicken your skin, and deal with the jerks.

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No it does not work in reality and it does not work for the internet. Anonymity is hurting the future viability of the internet.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Bad idea.

Ever hear the phrase "Not my problem, I don't want to get involved". Say you see someone in game being bullied. What are YOU gonna do ?

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Once again someone only looking at a small microcosm of the entire problem. What removing anonymity would do is make people behave as they would in real life(yes i know bullying and what not happens in RL but not to the extant that it does on the internet).

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Once again someone only looking at a small microcosm of the entire problem.

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As are you.

Anonymity on the internet has done much good for the world itself. If everyone behaved as they did on the streets we would all be worse for it and often oblivious to the world around us and especially the flaws of ours and other governments.

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You also seem to think that the lack of Anonymity would make people not "Bully" online, face it people "Bully" with their names known all the time as well making your name known will do little to curb the real issue.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

come to Balmung I gotz a macro for you
need any help with a AF run ?
muhahahaha

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I am guessing that is not your main character, since you have only 1 level 50. no one needs help with an AF run since you only need 4 to enter any dungeon. Do a quick check, "need any help with a CC speed run" or "Need any help with Garuda" would have been more appropriate and you could have figured it out with a simple search of the lodestone. that is how i figured out you were posting from a secondary character you created last month.

how about you stop hiding behind your alts and actually post with your main account.

Bullying is a hot topic issue right now, and all of you who have been watching oprah instead of working have had your sensitivity overcharged. You think that any behavior you do not like is "bullying" and you think that it somehow needs to have repercussions that far exceed the crime. The popular anti-bullying campaigns and programs that are distributed in the public schools of the United States actually increase the rate of so called bullying, mainly by glorifying the victim.

The situation is not that someone is being physically harmed, the situation is that they have been pandered to all of their lives and told that they are a special snowflake. now someone tells them that they do not want to help them or be friends, or there is competition for limited resources and the knee-jerk reaction is to call that person a bully, garner support by closed mindedness and non though processes because once you call someone a bully, you have painted a scarlet letter upon them and all of your like minded people who will not think about the situation will automatically join you in your chorus, effectively making you the bully. it is the tyranny of the weak.


also: nom nom nom, this is yummy

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

No it does not work in reality and it does not work for the internet. Anonymity is hurting the future viability of the internet.

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your the reason why the internet will soon enough be policed and locked down for all to use freely. can't ignore them? your just as angry as they are then. what you want people going to jail or getting tickets on the net for doing and saying the wrong things like speeding tickets? it's like micro chipping our selves for the 1percent that go missing. it ain't gonna go good cause both sides of this fence.

bullying wrong but so is pitchforks against them. 1 alpha male is no different then 20 non alpha's running a muck. don't try to replace the world with meme's like u'rself. ignoring doesn't work then do something about it, don't ruin something as simple as a game for your own thoughts of right and wrong.

for all we know since she wasn't part of the bullying that it could of been misunderstanding, i've heard some borderline retarded convo's in my linkshells that sound like bullying but they just back and forth like that for fun. it's not for everyone, surely not me, but being able to get people banned or anything like that for it is over the top. blacklist and have a good day.

also everything huggin said is on the nose.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

No it does not work in reality and it does not work for the internet. Anonymity is hurting the future viability of the internet.

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You're wrong, sorry. In reality if you add a person to your blacklist you never see their messages again, you just don't want to and would rather have an INTERNET CYBER POLICE FORCE get revenge on them for you... have some will power and ignore them then move on with your life

Ricky/Azran, we will have to give it up, these are people who would give up their freedom and liberty in exchange for security. The kind of people who think only the police should have weapons. you will never get through to them, they are lost.

they do not want anonymity because "if you have nothing to hide, then you do not need to worry." just ask them if it is OK to hae police walk into their homes at any time, in fact, why have walls at all?

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

No it does not work in reality and it does not work for the internet. Anonymity is hurting the future viability of the internet.

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Nonsense.
I've been able to currently take on 7 completely different persona because of it, expanding my understanding without fear of being shut out from presumption. And never have I made a character dedicated to upsetting people.

Don't let a few bad apples spoil the orchard, throw them out when you come to them and move on.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

As are you.

Anonymity on the internet has done much good for the world itself. If everyone behaved as they did on the streets we would all be worse for it and often oblivious to the world around us and especially the flaws of ours and other governments.

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You also seem to think that the lack of Anonymity would make people not "Bully" online, face it people "Bully" with their names known all the time as well making your name known will do little to curb the real issue.

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OMFG we agree on something <wahoo>

Do the people who walk on the wrong side of the street annoy you like they annoy me? Stick to the right people, it aint that hard.

And those texters (or w/e they call themselves), every other day, one stands in front of me at the traffic lights, waiting for the light to turn green so we can walk across. There they are, texting on the bb oriphone, light changes, they keep on texting. Sometimes, I wanna just nudge them. lol

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Originally Posted by Aethelinda

Don’t retaliate. If someone is mean to you online, don’t hit back. It might seem natural to give them a taste of his or her own cruelty, but this will just keep the war going. Not worth it.
Ignore it. Face to face, it can be very hard to “walk away” from an insult. Online, it’s actually much easier. Turn off your computer and walk away. Do not go back to Web sites or chat rooms where you’ve been bullied.

Also we should never let ourselves be a victim but don’t become the bully neither. Don’t post comments or say anything when you are angry because you might become the bully by mistake and that’s not the way neither. At the end they will live by their own reputation. Haters will always hate

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This is actually horrible advice. All that will happen is the bullied person will take the anger out on someone else who doesn't deserve it. Thus the cycle continues~

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Originally Posted by Huginn

I am guessing that is not your main character, since you have only 1 level 50. no one needs help with an AF run since you only need 4 to enter any dungeon. Do a quick check, "need any help with a CC speed run" or "Need any help with Garuda" would have been more appropriate and you could have figured it out with a simple search of the lodestone. that is how i figured out you were posting from a secondary character you created last month.

how about you stop hiding behind your alts and actually post with your main account.

Bullying is a hot topic issue right now, and all of you who have been watching oprah instead of working have had your sensitivity overcharged. You think that any behavior you do not like is "bullying" and you think that it somehow needs to have repercussions that far exceed the crime. The popular anti-bullying campaigns and programs that are distributed in the public schools of the United States actually increase the rate of so called bullying, mainly by glorifying the victim.

The situation is not that someone is being physically harmed, the situation is that they have been pandered to all of their lives and told that they are a special snowflake. now someone tells them that they do not want to help them or be friends, or there is competition for limited resources and the knee-jerk reaction is to call that person a bully, garner support by closed mindedness and non though processes because once you call someone a bully, you have painted a scarlet letter upon them and all of your like minded people who will not think about the situation will automatically join you in your chorus, effectively making you the bully. it is the tyranny of the weak.


also: nom nom nom, this is yummy

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Lets leave RL bullying out of this for now.

Did I mention that I took a yr off from this POS game, and came back to a different server, to re-learn it.
I was on SELBINA origionaly, then was kidnapped, and taken to Ridil. My main is on Ridil, and I am only on Balmung to re learn the game, and stay away from the retards and religious fanatics on Sargantas.

Anyway, on to the subject of in-game bullying:

I can't comment on the OPs situation, as I do not know the details. Since coming back to the game, the only precieved instances of bullying I have witnessed was a shout in uldah a while back. So let's go with a hypothetical situation for now.

Bob is a healer in a party
party goes to a dungeon
party wipes
Joe who was in party returns to uldah and /sh Bob you fckn NOOB where were my heals
the Joe does /sh welcome to my blacklist NOOB
then Joe tells his LS what a NOOB Bob is
soon most of the server thinks Bob is a bad healer and won't invite him to parties

Comment ?

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Originally Posted by Futan

This is actually horrible advice. All that will happen is the bullied person will take the anger out on someone else who doesn't deserve it. Thus the cycle continues~

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Not my problem.
If they're smart they'll ignore him too and it won't be their problem either.
If you don't feed the beast, it will crawl in circles screaming and crying for attention till it withers up and dies, begging for the only twisted love it understands. Then as you oversee its rotting corpse, you can chuckle in quiet glee.

Well.. i think Bob's kid was crying and he got wife aggro and had to go afk for a short while, unfortunately there is no PAUSE button... so Bob wants to say screw you guys! and Joe is an elitist anyway!

lol, PUGs? no wonder you cant get anything done


om nomnom

Yawns~ /em stretches

Oh for the love of--really? REALLY??!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Not my problem.
If they're smart they'll ignore him too and it won't be their problem either.
If you don't feed the beast, it will crawl in circles screaming and crying for attention till it withers up and dies, begging for the only twisted love it understands. Then as you oversee its rotting corpse, you can chuckle in quiet glee.

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So you believe that creating more cyber-bullies is an effective method of stopping cyber-bullying? If what is said angers you, you should take it out on the bully. Not on your family, friends or another player.

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Originally Posted by Futan

So you believe that creating more cyber-bullies is an effective method of stopping cyber-bullying? If what is said angers you, you should take it out on the bully. Not on your family, friends or another player.

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It won't create more idiots if you don't let it anger you.
If it does, grab a stress ball, write an angry letter and don't save it, paint something angry, exercise (stretch first, I literally can't emphasize this enough), dance, scream into a pillow, talk it out with someone you trust to listen. You can emote in healthy ways that don't make you into an ass.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It won't create more idiots if you don't let it anger you.
If it does, grab a stress ball, write an angry letter and don't save it, paint something angry, exercise (stretch first, I literally can't emphasize this enough), dance, scream into a pillow, talk it out with someone you trust to listen. You can emote in healthy ways that don't make you into an ass.

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Except for the "don't let it anger you" part, I can't say I disagree. People obviously don't control what makes them angry or else no one would ever be. My personal opinion is confronting the person who angers you is the best way to go about it, but that's an opinion and there isn't a truly right way of going about it.

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Originally Posted by Mujen

Well.. i think Bob's kid was crying and he got wife aggro and had to go afk for a short while, unfortunately there is no PAUSE button... so Bob wants to say screw you guys! and Joe is an elitist anyway!

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LoL


WTF my LoL is too short a message
this is fckn retarded, how much do I have to write before I can post
is this enough ?
should I write more,
how about a song ?

A very good friend of mine
Told me something the other day
I'd like to pass it on to you,
Cause I believe what he said to be true
He said:
(CHORUS) We're here for a good time
Not a long time (not a long time)
So have a good time
The sun can't shine everyday
And the sun is shinin,
In this rainy city,
And the sun is shinin,
Ooh isn't a pity?
That every year has it's share of tears,
Every now and then it's gotta rain
(CHORUS)
And the sun is shinin,
In this rainy city,
And the sun is shinin,
Ooh isn't a pity?
That every year has it's share of tears,
Every now and then it's gotta rain
(REPEAT CHORUS X 5)

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

LoL


WTF my LoL is too short a message
this is fckn retarded, how much do I have to write before I can post
is this enough ?
should I write more,
how about a song ?

A very good friend of mine
Told me something the other day
I'd like to pass it on to you,
Cause I believe what he said to be true
He said:
(CHORUS) We're here for a good time
Not a long time (not a long time)
So have a good time
The sun can't shine everyday
And the sun is shinin,
In this rainy city,
And the sun is shinin,
Ooh isn't a pity?
That every year has it's share of tears,
Every now and then it's gotta rain
(CHORUS)
And the sun is shinin,
In this rainy city,
And the sun is shinin,
Ooh isn't a pity?
That every year has it's share of tears,
Every now and then it's gotta rain
(REPEAT CHORUS X 5)

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Seriously u seen my Here Ye here Ye thread? If they allowed us to get drunk in game we'd def be in there getting our fame up with karaoke! lmao You'd be the taru always getting me in trouble (O_O) you'd have a 5 o' clock shadow gambling away ur chocobo fare money.. I'd be like damnit Jaime.. get ur ass up! We got dragons to slay, ud be face down on the table shouting for another round from the cute mithran waitress... Or i'd catch you serenading your ex taru lover outside her window, neighbours telling you to shuddap lmao idk.. im bored yo!

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Originally Posted by Mujen

Seriously u seen my Here Ye here Ye thread? If they allowed us to get drunk in game we'd def be in there getting our fame up with karaoke! lmao You'd be the taru always getting me in trouble (O_O) you'd have a 5 o' clock shadow gambling away ur chocobo fare money.. I'd be like damnit Jaime.. get ur ass up! We got dragons to slay, ud be face down on the table shouting for another round from the cute mithran waitress... Or i'd catch you serenading your ex taru lover outside her window, neighbours telling you to shuddap lmao idk.. im bored yo!

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Don't get me started on drinking. Getting drunk in EQ, then staggering out to find mobs to kill was a favorite past time of mine.

Anyone up for Ifrit (hic!)

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Don't get me started on drinking. Getting drunk in EQ, then staggering out to find mobs to kill was a favorite past time of mine.

Anyone up for Ifrit (hic!)

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lmao.. Drunk ifrit Raid! yeah! Idk, there's SO much potential for games these days, simple basic stuff and yet they all are getting worse & worse? *drops to knees* WHY?! oh cruel world? only thing getting better & better are FPS (first person shooters), and I ish not a fan (>_<) Curses!

Yeah this game is skillless as far as I'm concerned. Wanna fight ifrit watch the youtueb video stand here don't move until... Once people have learned (I mean used google youtube w/e) the patern, there is no skill needed, or armour (seen the reindeer suit bikini videos?) for this "end game" content.

Add some in-game booze SE that will make the game more challenging for some of us.

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Originally Posted by Aethelinda

Bullies Online :eek:

First of all I will apologize in advance about my grammar. My primary language is Spanish but I will do the best that I can to express myself in a way you can all understand. ^^ I think this article will do well to some on the victim position. I’m very sorry about that too. As you can see on my profile I don’t post much but sometimes I feel the need to speak up and I guess this time I want to speak up for them.

I decided to post this article about bullies because I’m sick and tired of some pretending to be mental stable individuals and “boom” out of nowhere they become someone's worst nightmare in their free and supposedly relaxing time. The sad part of this story is that many of these people are adults and even professionals. Many of us were victims at some point and I’m pretty sure you were thinking “Oh My God, what’s wrong with this person?” I was there one time, can think of three names at this moment, and will probably be again because we are SURROUNDED BY ZOMBIES! O_o

Anyways last night someone calling himself a “lawyer”, committed harassment to someone in front of a group of people. These were a full party from his LS, one joined him like a good pal, and a few others waiting to get in A.V. I hope he doesn’t behave that way in real life if not I don’t see a really bright future as a lawyer for him. This is what throws me off my chair. However this is not so much about him because he is only one out of many in FFXIV that are constantly harassing and making a few players’ experience miserable; Shouting, /tells, linkshells sites, lodestone forums and whatever they find to accomplish their goals. Apparently this is their only way to justify their existence in this world. I don’t mind the adrenaline and some ego alpha male approach, I’m a girl and I can even understand that. Now what I’m really talking is about abusive behavior to the point where they are doing it to harm rather than to just have fun and compete or even express an opinion.


SE, I don’t blame them. They are working too hard so they can’t do much. We got too many with problems and even drama queens already to be listening to every single one of them. We got to give them a break. It is impossible to keep up with everything and believe every story. I wish they will find a better way instead of just the blacklist which is totally useless. You can ignore what they say to you but you can’t ignore what they are doing on your screen or even the rumors that these beautiful mind people come up with. Sooner or later they will find a way to get to you. What can we do then? Not much. Trust on your friends or people that you have known the longest and their judgments. Will not guaranteed that they have a good judgment though but hey at least we got hopes that they do have it. That’s why we called them friends to begin with even if they are just cyber friends.


This is the definition about harassment and cyber bullying

Bullying: Repeated and deliberate harassment directed by one in a position of power toward one or more. Can involve threats or behaviors, including assault, or indirect and subtle forms of aggression, including rumor spreading. Also online bullying, often called online harassment, is a serious issue, and it’s getting more common.

Harassment: Unsolicited words or actions intended to annoy, alarm, or abuse another individual in an emotional way.

How to recognize a Cyber Bully.
Online bullying can take many forms:

• Sending threatening, taunting or teasing e-mails to someone.
• In an online game use their character to make themselves known around you with the purpose of bothering you. Like emos actions or moving around you.
• Using any other tech to spread gossip or rumors.
• Pretending to be another person online so you can post or e-mail things that will embarrass or get that person in trouble. Very common on the forums
• Being a “pretend friend” online so you can later hurt or humiliate someone.
• “Ganging up” on someone in a chat or on a message board because the more people they have, the powerful they feel.
• “Grieving” someone in an online video game by constantly picking on a new or inexperienced player.

Why do people do it?

It’s anonymous. The Web lets you hide behind a fake user name or alias, and many bullies feel protected by this “false identity.” Because they feel hidden and shielded, bullies might do and say things they would never dream of doing to someone face to face. In other words, sometimes a coward.

They want revenge. If a person is bullied in real life (can be by strangers, friends and even family) he might decide to fight back online. You don’t have to be a typical “bully” to be mean. Many people who are good with technology see online cruelty as a way of getting even with people who push them around in the real world. They are not happy with themselves and their surroundings. Remember they need to be A SOMEBODY in this virtual world to feel happy. Once is over, they are nothing.

They get caught up in it (Accidental one). Sometimes online bullies start out small, with a funny comment or a joke. Then things slowly get out of hand. They start posting meaner and meaner things, and before they know it, they’re really hurting people with the things they write. This is very common on forums. Some might not even realize it.

They don’t understand how much it hurts. When you’re cruel to someone online, you can’t see him/her cry, so you might not understand just how bad you’re making him/her feel. We are humans behind a monitor after all.

What can you do?

Don’t retaliate. If someone is mean to you online, don’t hit back. It might seem natural to give them a taste of his or her own cruelty, but this will just keep the war going. Not worth it.
Ignore it. Face to face, it can be very hard to “walk away” from an insult. Online, it’s actually much easier. Turn off your computer and walk away. Do not go back to Web sites or chat rooms where you’ve been bullied.

Also we should never let ourselves be a victim but don’t become the bully neither. Don’t post comments or say anything when you are angry because you might become the bully by mistake and that’s not the way neither. At the end they will live by their own reputation. Haters will always hate

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Wish i had read all this yesterday night.... this completelly true, specially about dont retaliate at them even when one has proof, sadly to me yesterday they just finally got me to rage and i started a whole thread, you know i regret it now, after all i doubt it solved anything and now its made public and in the end my reputation ended even more hurted without get any help, seriously.

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Originally Posted by Futan

People obviously don't control what makes them angry or else no one would ever be.

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Because they don't practice. You are ultimately the one in control of your attitude. And it's not like I'm perfect at it, but I can continually improve.

Life is 10 percent what happens to you, and 90 percent how you react to it.

This is where rap music comes in handy, quick flip of the playlist and u go off on dem haterz! When keepin it real goes wrong, FFXIV style! WU TANG! dats right mo'foz!

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

No it does not work in reality and it does not work for the internet. Anonymity is hurting the future viability of the internet.

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Help me I can't stop barfing. A real person has this opinion. I'm dying. h e l p

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Help me I can't stop barfing. A real person has this opinion. I'm dying. h e l p

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It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions, so yes a real person does hold that opinion. Here is an airline barf bag to accommodate your sickness.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions.

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This is wrong in so many ways, let's just start by saying you can't "Do whatever you want" Many people have found this out the hard way.

Can you make an ass out of yourself with no repurcussions...sure, but really that's about as far as internt anonymity is going to get you. Many things you do over the net, can and do have real life repurcussions if you take them too far, and people are far from being untracable unless they are prepared to evade detection (Hinting at something more notorious than just being a internet asshat, that some anti anonymity law wouldn't deter) In the end the only people you end up punishing is the common user who now has to watch what they say for fear of being judged by everyone around them the same way they are in real life.

Being Anonamous online is a much larger boon than a burden to the world, I'd rather let people be who they really are unchained from the idiotic restraints our general society places on us. Race/Gender/Creed rarely have the same impact they do online because we don't usually encounter a person and have the same chance we do when we meet them in real life to impose steriotypes and prejiduces on them before we even know them.

Should Online ID's read like this.

(Made up information...sorry to any Johnathan Hales I mistakenly represent)
Johnathan Hale
28 White Caucasian Male
235 Pounds
6'2
Christian

Or

Jo-Hailmaker

What one of these two descriptions offers nothing to base your own presumptions onto (Unless you hate hail) before you can read/hear what they have to say. Johnathan could be from a repressed millitaristic state and be bringing knowledge to his friends about how bad the situation in his country is with the dictator shooting people in the streets who dare talk about his regime.

With Anonymity John was able to speak out against his opressor, speak to people with far less pre-ordained bias, and perhaps even sway nations around the world to share his plight for freedom of his people.

...or he could be found as his real name is online and be shot in the street. You know that's all worth it so Boobs-Mgee couldn't call Tom-T a jerk on the interwebs.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions.

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And I used that same culture to build my confidence by freely testing my opinions and views on societies that could hold no prejudice from affiliation or history. It helped turn me from a little antisocial weirdo into big social weirdo, and I value that to a crazy level.

Just because some people get their feelings hurt by spastic morons doesn't mean everyone should be punished.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions, so yes a real person does hold that opinion. Here is an airline barf bag to accommodate your sickness.

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well sooner or later we will have xbox and ps3's and games that can read our minds, and i wouldn't doubt a future where snooping into a brain and hearing what they think of you with ease lmao. so i think the way where heading is just fine, it's not what people are, or what they think of you, or how they act/personality as long as we can deal with it ourselves. removing reason is the only way to fix things, not getting a bigger group to get your way. we live together, seperatly or it just won't work.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions, so yes a real person does hold that opinion. Here is an airline barf bag to accommodate your sickness.

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No, it just creates a situation where anyone could find out who I am and where I live. I had someone find my info online once before who I met on an MMO and it was not a pleasant experience. If my information became openly visible by everyone on this game I'd delete my account and quit and SE would have -1 person playing their game because my personal safety is more important than people getting cyber bullied.

I mean this in all due respect, but put away your keyboard and stop typing. Your view on how the real world works is so damn narrow it's mind numbing.

So.....did anyone ever explain why the blacklist doesn't work? I've never really understood cyber bullying. Compared to real life bullying like someone hitting your or taking your stuff it never seemed like a big deal. It seems a lot easier to avoid/ignore since you can just block/blacklist people online. It's hard to ignore someone actually physically assaulting you or taking your stuff.

Apologies in advance if my post seems unsensitive.

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Originally Posted by Searious

So.....did anyone ever explain why the blacklist doesn't work? I've never really understood cyber bullying. Compared to real life bullying like someone hitting your or taking your stuff it never seemed like a big deal. It seems a lot easier to avoid/ignore since you can just block/blacklist people online. It's hard to ignore someone actually physically assaulting you or taking your stuff.

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Blacklist doesn't stop someone and his friends from following you spamming /laugh at you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from getting his buddies to send horribly rude things to you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from spreading lies or bad things about you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from MPKing you.
Blacklist only works when or after being bullied and even then it only stops messages and it goes far beyond that.

I've been bullied a little in this game and it's not pleasant and it generally hurts your feelings even if you do blacklist them. I think that's the part you may not be getting, the emotional part of being cyber bullied. The major fix would be just to have a GM service that actually DOES something other than delete forum posts and tell people that they are "investigating the issue" even if it was simply light punishment. Not everyone has thick skin and people do have feelings on the other side of the computer monitor. Though, some other suggestions here are completely bad and unwarranted.

Wow you guys are wimps, you can blacklist to avoid 4 out of 5 of your problems, and if someone MPK you, you can just do it right back or leave the area and try whatever you were doing at a later time

If someone seriously does all that stuff to you, you did something to deserve it most likely... I have played online games for like 12 years and I have never experienced people doing such crazy things

and responding to trolls counts as "something to deserve it" imo

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Blacklist doesn't stop someone and his friends from following you spamming /laugh at you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from getting his buddies to send horribly rude things to you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from spreading lies or bad things about you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from MPKing you.
Blacklist only works when or after being bullied and even then it only stops messages and it goes far beyond that.

I've been bullied a little in this game and it's not pleasant and it generally hurts your feelings even if you do blacklist them. I think that's the part you may not be getting, the emotional part of being cyber bullied. The major fix would be just to have a GM service that actually DOES something other than delete forum posts and tell people that they are "investigating the issue" even if it was simply light punishment. Not everyone has thick skin and people do have feelings on the other side of the computer monitor. Though, some other suggestions here are completely bad and unwarranted.

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This what Real Id would prevent. If someone had to face the idea that everyone could see the kind of person they are online they would fall back on the same social niceties that enables us as a society to get along. Now I know some worry about the security risks involved, but there are good solutions to that as well.
http://www.nist.gov/nstic/

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Wow you guys are wimps, you can blacklist to avoid 4 out of 5 of your problems, and if someone MPK you, you can just do it right back or leave the area and try whatever you were doing at a later time

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Instead of MPK'ing I'd rather put them in GM jail for 24-72 hours. It makes no sense to do the same thing they do just to get a sense of satisfaction. If harassment goes unpunished the offenders will just keep doing it. Besides its the GM job to keep a safe, and friendly social environment.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Being Anonamous online is a much larger boon than a burden to the world, I'd rather let people be who they really are unchained from the idiotic restraints our general society places on us. Race/Gender/Creed rarely have the same impact they do online because we don't usually encounter a person and have the same chance we do when we meet them in real life to impose steriotypes and prejiduces on them before we even know them.

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P1: I'd rather let people be who they really are unchained from the idiotic restraints our general society places on us (A)

P2: Race/Gender/Creed rarely have the same impact they do online because we don't usually encounter a person and have the same chance we do when we meet them in real life to impose steriotypes and prejiduces on them before we even know them. (A)

C: Being Anonamous online is a much larger boon than a burden to the world

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This is invalid. Your conclusion does not flow from your premises at all. People "being unrestrained" does not support the statement that being anonymous is a boon to the world. Even formed in a categorical format it doesn't work.

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This is question begging. After this you strawmanned the argument while rocking the slippery slope with your argumentum ad oppression concept.

I understand your viewpoint and can even appreciate it (to an extent) but it's invalid. There are reasons for why this shouldn't be the case but these aren't them.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

This what Real Id would prevent. If someone had to face the idea that everyone could see the kind of person they are online they would fall back on the same social niceties that enables us as a society to get along. Now I know some worry about the security risks involved, but there are good solutions to that as well.
http://www.nist.gov/nstic/

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Have you heard of a social networking internet website called Facebook? It's hardly anonymous, but that doesn't stop people from using it as a tool to harass and bully people.